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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:36PM Mrblonde57 said

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He is still a prick who's motive for trying to get this bill passed is still beyond me.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:42PM Bubbameister33 said

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@Mrblonde57

Money.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:43PM EJ A said

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Bags of $ from movie studios, record labels, and media companies... I mean... completely-legal, not-shady-at-all campaign contributions and lobbying.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:43PM Special Agent Steve said

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It's all about control, unfortunately.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:46PM Hatecrime69 said

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@Mrblonde57

I think that's rather simple if you ask me, under the table 'donations' via riaa
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:51PM Gaddes said

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@Mrblonde57 Money in his pockets mang, money in his pockets...
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:03PM Shadowbender said

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@Mrblonde57

It's all about the buck. The color green.

On the contrary, at least it's being revised for the better. Still needs some work.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 4:13PM pluupy said

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I'm just here for the food.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:43PM Mrblonde57 said

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He is still an idiot who's motive for trying to get this bill passed I still don't know and understand.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:46PM Stevetrop Man of Mystery said

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@Mrblonde57

You were right the first time calling him a prick. He is trying to censor the Internet all in the name against fighting piracy which it will not stop at all.

He needs to lay off that crack pipe and come down to reality/
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:43PM NathanDTS said

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Ok, I need a list of what's wrong with the Bill now since i'm really can't be bothered to keep up anymore.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:44PM bittermang said

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This is not a victory. It is not the DNS provisions where the problems with SOPA are. The DNS provision, as planned, would break the Internet, but it isn't the root issue.

Love it or hate it, the DMCA has clearly defined rules that protect both the host and the copyright holder. SOPA dictates removal of entire sites -- not just content -- first and foremost, with an appeals process after the fact. Literally shooting first and asking questions later.

Frankly, after that, the DNS process by which they sought to remove content was a trivial concern. It's the process itself that has problems, not how they planned to do it.

This is NOT a victory. Do NOT treat it as such. Keep pushing back.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:54PM Space Cobra said

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Yes! We still got to keep pushing and write/bug our Conrgress men and gaming companies!

It's not over yet.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:27PM Mcmax3000 said

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@bittermang - "SOPA dictates removal of entire sites -- not just content -- first and foremost, with an appeals process after the fact. Literally shooting first and asking questions later."

I understand what the bigger issue is with the bill but, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I very well could be, if the DNS blocking is removed, doesn't that effectively kill all usefulness of the bill?

I realize that the problems you mentioned still exist but if they can't use DNS blocking, how exactly are they going to remove a site now if this bill were to pass?

It seemed to me that the biggest reason to worry about this bill was the DNS blocking, which is now gone. Either way, it is still a victory, just potentially not a large one.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:41PM bittermang said

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@Mcmax3000 The DNS issue has been generating the most noise, but it's definitely not the root problem.

To call this a victory and rest easy on our laurels distracts us from the fact that these bills are still very real, and pose a very real threat to the way the Internet as you enjoy it currently will continue to work. We cannot call this a victory. We cannot stop pushing back. We must continue to contact our legislators and educate each other about the perils of this legislation.

SOPA and PIPA have not been defeated. Therefore this is not a victory. Not even close.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 2:36AM SSUK said

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@Mcmax3000 SOPA and PIPA will change the rules surrounding how the entertainment industry lays claim to their content online and no longer gives website owners protection against lawsuits based off user-generated content.

Let me paint a scenario for you. You're the head of YouTube back in 2004. You're getting pretty big and its come to the attention of the big movie studios that you're sharing somewhat lengthy clips of movie footage. They see this a violation of copyright. Under the DMCA, they can request you pull down the content within a reasonable time period and you must comply if you or your service is in the US (although as The Pirate Bay trials have shown, DMCA CAN be applied internationally, despite how it isn't an international law.) Under PIPA or SOPA, the company can launch full scale litigation against you over a single infringement, no "please would you remove this", no Cease or Desist, they bypass all that red tape and get to what they really want: your service to shut down. For a single infringement. Which you didn't upload.

And this is why SOPA and PIPA are bad news. The DNS blocking was going to create an internet blacklist, something the US government opposes countries like China from having, but are more than happy to set one up to appease big media. Now this has gone, this will alleviate a lot of fears surrounding the future of the US-facing internet and misuse of the blacklist for political gain. However it doesn't get to the core of the matter. Services like YouTube or Google Images wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for provisions in the DMCA which gave them "safe harbour" from big media throwing their legal weight around. But this is exactly what the media industry wants. YouTube has become competition for them and although they can't stop YouTube anymore, they want to nip any potential, future YouTubes in the bud before they become popular. This way the entertainment industry can get back to fully controlling their markets like they did before the mass adoption of the internet. Game companies are along for the ride since it gives the likes of Nintendo the ability to finally pull down ROM-sharing websites, which Nintendo HATES with a passion, but obviously has no legal grounds to actually do anything about them. PIPA/SOPA will empower them to do so, although they wont be able to take the sites offline without winning litigation against the owners first.

I should also note that it's not just ALL about having content actually on a website. Under PIPA/SOPA, LINKING to copyright infringing content is a punishable offence. Who am I kidding, it already is according to the recent extradition of Richard O'Dwyer from the UK to the US. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-16544335) So if you, as a completely innocent bystander of copyright infringement put a link to say, a video clip from newvideosite.com which was found to be in breach of copyright, they could pull litigation on YOU for the same thing. An extreme case, but you could be found guilty and you could spend up to 10 years in prison. (How many years is it for rape or murder again?)

So no, while the DNS provisions and the establishing of an internet blacklist have subsided for the time being, it just means that companies have to jump through an additional hoop to get what they want. This is why SOPA and PIPA need to be defeated.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:45PM NathanDTS said

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Possible double post!

Can someone provide me with a list of problems with this bill now?
I'm not interested in law and can't be bothered to keep up.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:56PM NathanDTS said

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@NathanDTS Sorry...
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 4:21PM pluupy said

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What is SOPA?
SOPA stands for the Stop Online Piracy Act. It is one of two bills being considered by congress today. ...

They are well-intentioned. They want to prevent piracy and copyright infringement. But they do so in an overly-aggressive, innovation-endangering way. They allow the entertainment industry to censor sites they feel "engage in, enable or facilitate" infringement.

The issues with SOPA:
The Electronic Frontier Foundation describes SOPA as the "blacklist bill" because it would "allow the U.S. government and private corporations to create a blacklist of censored websites, and cut many more off from their ad networks and payment providers."

That means the Attorney General would have the power to cut off select websites from search engines like Google. It could also cut off advertisers and payment processors like Visa from the sites. The Attorney General could essentially kill all of a site's traffic and revenue in a matter of days.

SOPA only allows targeted sites five days to submit an appeal. That doesn't leave much time for them to defend themselves before losing their site and their revenue altogether.

Source:
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-17/tech/30404716_1_sopa-internet-freedom-innovators

For More Information upon SOPA:
http://americancensorship.org/
http://fightforthefuture.org/pipa (video explanation)
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:45PM EJ A said

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The sponsor of PIPA (the senate version of SOPA) has also backed down on enforcement stipulations:

http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/12/pipa-author/
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:47PM KungFuChaosNinja said

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Remove everything from the bill and let it drown to its miserable death.

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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:54PM Gaddes said

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This is not a victory, it's simply him tossing away something to try and distract people from the fact that the existing bill is STILL an incredibly dangerous proposition for the internet. By acting like the DNS element was somehow the main issue and tossing it, many uninformed people might relent on opposing the bill, which would be TERRIBLE.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:55PM Gaddes said

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This is not a victory, it's simply him tossing away something to try and distract people from the fact that the existing bill is STILL an incredibly dangerous proposition for the internet.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 6:55PM Gaddes said

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@Gaddes goddamn doublepost... my message didn't show up at all before.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:04PM (Unverified) said

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"I will therefore propose that the positive and negative effects of this provision be studied before implemented, so that we can focus on the other important provisions in this bill." He didn't remove anything he just said that they wouldn't use that part of the bill without studying the effects it will have first. The bill itself has not changed as far as I know. The quote is from Ars and is attributed to Sen. Patrick Leahy if anyone is wondering where it came from.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:26PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Should have been a reply to EJ A and just to clarify the comment was about PIPA not SOPA.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:12PM AxelSteelBMX said

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Considering the track record set by this asshat and his ilk, I'd wait to see the revised version before celebrating. Chances are they most likely snuck something else in there that may be a problem.

There's still been no mention as to what changes should be made to the outlandish penalties and fees that could potentially be leveraged against people who put stuff like "Let's Plays" on Youtube (because, let's be honest here, even though the bill's supporters say that they won't ever go after Joe and Jane America, the potential for power abuse is still there).

Prime example: my friends and I recently put an audio podcast on Youtube. We posted 8 episodes, and had number 7 taken down due to a copyright infringement claim by EMI. In that particular episode, we were discussing Rock Band, and I used about 30 seconds of audio from "Cherub Rock" by Smashing Pumpkins, because it's in the damned game. Now, if we had a large enough listener base, could we still be facing jail time and fines under SOPA, and could Youtube still be held responsible for that audio being available via their service?

Pledging to leave Internet security alone is a step in the right direction if they want to pass this bill in any form, but plain NOT addressing other aspects of the bill's language and threatening to cut off site revenues under the vague language that already exists in the bill is still absurd.

This should not pass.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:20PM AxelSteelBMX said

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@AxelSteelBMX: Oh wait, disregarding DNS blocking, can sites still be ordered to be shut down with little to no warning or due process? If so, then forget the whole thing; he's just trimming the bill's language while still going for the desired end result. Eff Lamar Smith.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:14PM mrmobius said

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If this law comes through then it'll be China in the east, USA in the west.

One country USA doesn't want to copy in Internet policy is China. An ability to censor the internet should not be allowed.

Of course, being from UK, I've no say, and they'll not block the sites from me, but it sets a bad precedent which the UK would willingly follow, and it'd also risk a lot of good websites going out of business which itself removes them from my ability to view them if I choose.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:28PM Zertoss said

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You know why this was removed? Because Comcast just rolled out their fancy new DNSSEC and, wouldn't you know it? Turns out SOPA's DNS plans weren't compatible.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:48PM AxelSteelBMX said

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@Zertoss: Yeah, I read that earlier. The timing IS pretty "coincidental", especially since (if I remember correctly) Comcast is actually a proponent of the bill.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:47PM tendoboy1984 said

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"We will continue to look for ways to ensure that foreign websites cannot sell and distribute illegal content to U.S. consumers."

Foreign? A lot of these piracy / ROM / emulator websites are right here in America. And I've even seen some R4 carts for sale at Walmart / Target / Best Buy.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 7:50PM Echou said

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They back down?
We push forward 'till you are at the wall.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 9:43PM arucious said

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@Echou
We take down the wall too!
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 8:01PM Once known as Shadsy said

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Okay! The crazy part of the bill is gone! Now everyone please shut up about SOPA!
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 8:06PM AxelSteelBMX said

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@Once known as Shadsy: Oh, I'm sorry that everyone except you actually cares about the integrity of the Internet. Our bad.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 8:34PM TonyGeezy said

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There are already laws that fight copyright infringement, there is no need for SOPA. DNS blocking is removed from SOPA, but the rest is still there and continues to diminish our rights. SOPA just exists because media companies don't feel they have enough power to enforce their rights. I think they already have too much, such as copyrights that last longer than the artist is alive. It's time to make things a little more balanced, and merely cutting out the most offensive part of the bill isn't enough.

SOPA needs to disappear entirely, as well as any other future bill that pops up in its place to effectively do the same thing. We need laws to protect what we have and prevent media companies from lobbying for laws to be passed in the first place. There should also be laws against politicians from accepting "campaign contributions", they should be accepted as candidates based on their merits and not an expensive crusade, and they should be supported by a foundation of good ideas and voter support, and not piles of cash.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 9:28PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 10:04PM The Aquacharger said

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When reading the url name I thought the end said "merely-delaying-the.shit". I was confused for a second.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 9:50AM Once known as Shadsy said

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@(Unverified) Those are two separate bills. Leahy is in the Senate, and he's responsible for PROTECT-IP. Smith is the one doing SOPA.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2012 9:44PM arucious said

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These old hags don't even know what DNS is

They are all puppets to the corporation. All they care about is money
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 1:38AM ShadowXIII said

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Its a trap!
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 1:30PM thenutman69321 said

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He never said he's removing the DNS blocking he said he'll delay implementation which mean they'll wait until people forget about it before they start doing it. This is in no way a victory of any kind. It's still in there and still will be used just later on. Can't believe Joystiq fell for this, one of the oldest political tricks in the book.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2012 2:04PM gevenstaines said

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i thought the dns blocking was a null issue what with the browser addons
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Posted: Jan 15th 2012 6:49AM Design by Adrian said

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Save WikiLeaks!
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