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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 8:57AM Dionkey said

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SOPA isn't going to pass, people need to stop hyping it. It was a threat at first, but now that almost all of its major supporters have pulled out, it's not going to happen. Chill yourselves.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:05AM Prince David said

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@Dionkey not true for PIPA which is going into vote next week.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:18AM dbamerso said

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@Dionkey
I believe you are right, but that doesn't mean people should be quiet until the bills are truly dead and withdrawn. For now, they've been slightly watered down but are still pushing forward. Furthermore, showing how displeased we are now can have a positive effect in preventing the reintroduction of similar legislation in the future.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:21AM Laivindil said

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@Dionkey Unfortunetly, our congress does not seem interested in who supports or does not support the bills unless its a major corporation. While some of them have publicly changed course, SOPA and PIPA do still have strong supporters and are continuing their march through House/Senate. They have hit some bumps but have yet to die, and if we don't continue to see them stopped until they are actually stopped, they very well could go through with minor changes made to sell it to the public. Which if you have been following they are trying to do. Note the "possible" removal of DNS restrictions which would have no effect on the censorship, but was still sold as a way to "fix" the SOPA bill.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:26AM SmashZilla said

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@Dionkey

I agree that it won't pass but that's BECAUSE of all the hype. These companies wouldn't have pulled out if their customers said "Yes, please kill the internet." The whooping amount of negative reactions and press has been a huge blow in hurting SOPA.

Something as simple as Google blacking out it's banner is going to get THAT much more hype/awareness. Heck, I can't even wiki myself today.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:30AM PatientJ said

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@Dionkey
Some major supporters have pulled out, but still, SOPA and PIPA are alive. As long as major companies can pay congresspeople to vote in their favor, there will always be another SOPA or PIPA. The supporters of these bills would not stop pushing it if they felt secure in their investments, and neither should the opposition.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:42AM Dionkey said

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@Prince David I don't think people should be quiet, but there's no need to blow it out of proportion. In all honesty, the world would not rest for something like this, as we're already seeing now. If this were to ever pass, you might as well be inviting the next American revolution. They've tried stuff like this before, but it never succeeded and never will. The corrupt government may be able to inavde countries for their resources, but one thing you can't touch is the largest communications system in the world.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:12AM Gibbeynator said

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@Laivindil

Yeah, it sucks, and what are you going to do. If there's one thing I've learned about politics in general, it's that you can't win.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:25AM jukeboxzer0 said

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@SmashZilla you can still wiki just press escape key before the blackout page comes up
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:28AM jukeboxzer0 said

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@SmashZilla you can still use wikipedia. just press the escape key before the blackout page comes up
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:28AM The Aquacharger said

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@SmashZilla
Yes you can. Go into your web settings and put Wiki as an untrusted/restricted website. You can then view wikipedia. It's what I did.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:47AM Liquidfingers said

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@Dionkey

i agree, SOPA is certainly not going to pass in its current state, but that doesn't mean that it never will. to be honest, the very proposition of a bill like SOPA frightens me, and i am glad that there are numerous websites that are noticing and protesting how obviously wrong it is.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:48AM (Unverified) said

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@Dionkey
What major supporters dropped out? All the major news outlets still support it.... and they have a lot of pull. Ever heard of CNN?
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 1:24PM Laivindil said

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@Gibbeynator You can't win if enough people are willing to lay down and take it. Hopefully people have changed their minds, I have. I am out protesting every day. Sign petitions, call congress men and women, join a march, be active in unions or voting or nonprofits, educate yourself and others, join a movement. The gov't can do what it wants until the people speak up, and we have seen what being silent does to our lives and our economy, we were silent through the 80s and 90s. No longer.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 3:28PM Streeks1984 said

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@Dionkey

Unfortunately is that type of thinking that allowed the NDAA to pass because people got complacent and did not keep on that FIRE...protest until it haunts their very dreams and do it some more afterward.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:00AM BlackRoyMustang said

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Oh joystiq I love you

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 5:44PM Haizeus said

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@BlackRoyMustang

Why? This can easily be translated to, "We here at Joystiq are going to rake in the hits as so many of our contemporaries are currently unavailable."

No big deal, really. But trying to present it as some altruistic act is a bit laughable. And besides, just because AOL is on the right side of this debate, doesn't make them any less soulless. Really, they're still pretty darn awful.

My two cents.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:00AM Nevarky said

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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 10:06AM zigie said

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@Nevarky
http://www.noteslate.com/index.htm

Dunno how to get the direct link but they should have a vid and info about how to stop sopa

(funny fact, sopa means sh** up in greek)
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:01AM Calatia said

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This is a battle of old media vs. new media, and both have substantial resources to push toward their goal.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:01AM Kiichi said

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Keep up the good work!

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:03AM NoPantsToday said

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Well said.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:04AM Prince David said

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Contacted all the women and men representing me. This is the first time I really spoke to my officials and I plan to do more in the future. Let's make our voices heard today!

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:06AM B0HICAH said

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Good post, JC. I stand by you guys!

Hey Ben G. - don't let those twitter dicks get the best of you.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:07AM TJF588 said

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NOTICE: THIS POST HAS BEEN FOUND IN VIOLATION OF H.R. 3261, S.O.P.A. AND HAS BEEN REMOVED

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:51AM jtenma said

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@TJF588

This is exactly what would happen if it passes. Link to a video with a baby doing something miraculous? You better not have had music playing in the background! If that same video got popular ( 1million + views) then corporations can not only have the video removed, but the entire site held responsible.

I fear the what the world is coming to more and more everyday.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:15AM Ceridith said

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@jtenma

You forgot to mention that the uploader could also face jailtime.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 7:34PM Teeree said

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@TJF588

If only they used their brains and simply put a black bar over the Joystiq name, this wouldn't have happened!
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:15AM (Unverified) said

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Makes sense since all Joystiq readers know what SOPA and PIPA are

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:17AM finalsin7 said

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It's one day. One day of standing by everyone else and making a statement about the Internet. The trailers can wait. The previews can wait. The meaningless regurgitation of press releases can wait. You could've just stood up and said "This probably shouldn't happen, and we can use our position to make a strong statement."

Instead, you've got a few meagre blog posts and everything else looks like any other dreary January day on a multiformat games site. Well done, Joystiq. Well done.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:49AM SmilinGoat said

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@finalsin7

or post everything in black and white with a a scrolling add on the side that says "why is everything blacked out" leading to the answer on the other side, along with links to the nation wide petition and a quick resource link to find out who your reps are (for those who dont already know)

site stays open, you make a big statement.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:57AM (Unverified) said

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@SmilinGoat That is brilliant.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 10:03AM Vcize said

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@finalsin7

Agreed. We know some of the big dogs (wikipedia, reddit, wordpress) went dark. Can we work up a list of the game sites that did?

So far I've got...

http://www.destructoid.com/
http://www.mw3forum.com/
http://www.gamesta.com/

There's got to be more out there. Videogame sites will get hammered by SOPA so I would have thought there'd have been tons.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:25AM akeso said

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@Vcize

Rock Paper Shotgun went dark
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 12:23PM liquidsoap89 said

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@Vcize

RPS is black until tomorrow morning.

Or I guess late tonight for those of us in NA.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:20AM Bewoulf said

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Awesome way to tell your peace (piece?) Joystiq! Couldn't have said it better myself. We need innovative ways to attack piracy, not government ways. Think of something like iTunes. I'm sure the number of people who casually pirated music dropped after cheap, innovative, and convenient ways of purchasing music came into being. I could be completely wrong on this, but everyone uses iTunes. iTunes makes a lot of money.

Same goes for something like Steam. Make a convenient legitimate way to buy products and services and less people will steal. Oh sure, the same douche bags that steal constantly will constantly steal. As Joystiq said, pirates will go around this SOPA act anyway.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:14AM Jakintosh said

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@Bewoulf

Why was this down voted. This man is 100% correct. The only way to stop making people do the wrong thing, is to make doing the right thing easier. Sure there will always be scumbags who steal things, but you can eliminate a lot of piracy with ways that he mentioned.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:55AM Styli said

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@Jakintosh

Yeah, agreed. Not sure who is downvoting. Perhaps the pro-SOPA camp?

As long as there's the deep web, SOPA won't achieve anything only to alienate you guys, my american friends, from us - the rest of the free world. That is, until we end up following suit. So it's as important to us as it is to you that this does not pass.

As already mentioned, there are better ways to combat piracy. I know of a lot of people that are now using Netflix since it came in over here that, otherwise, would have pirated programs and films. Steam, iTunes have shown that there are better ways to get people to pay for content.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 2:01PM xddga said

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@Styli
Not going to be much longer until the rest of the world gets it too. This is worse then SOPA/PIPA: https://www.eff.org/issues/acta

But yeah, I know a lot of people who used to pirate music/movies, then stuff like itunes and netflix came along. Half the reason why people do it is it's easier and cheaper. if there's a good alternative like (netflix, steam, gog) and the companies back off a bit and make it worth going through those companies, then it'd drastically cut down on piracy. That and i still believe if companies made really good demos (rather then just 15 min taste tests), it would really help out as well.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:22AM gtakiller0914 said

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Joystiq would die of they blacked out today. =/

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:25AM lilfloppy said

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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:26AM Optimaximal said

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This almost screams for 'Oh, and AOL wouldn't let us because of the lost ad-revenue potential' to be tagged at the end of the post.

I was under the impression the blackouts were to effectively demonstrate how the site being taken down would impact on the users of the sites to encourage them to stand against the bills.

You're sitting on the fence, nothing more.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:37AM Zacxx201 said

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I understand your point but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed in you, Joystiq.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:38AM (Unverified) said

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Boo Joystiq, Boo.

If Minecraft, Wikipedia, Reddit, & Destructoid can black out and Google can replace their logo with a giant black bar you can at least have the dignity to follow suit.

Posted: Jan 18th 2012 10:02AM arkweld said

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Knocking out gaming Web sites seems to me to be largely futile. Do the lawmakers who favor this bill really care that kids can't see the news on some Web site about stupid video games? Most of them will never even have heard of Destructoid or RPS and probably like the idea that they are taken off the internet permanently so their kids stop wasting time playing with toys.

"Woo, some teenagers got angry. Pass me another Scotch and send in another CEO with a check."
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 10:26AM (Unverified) said

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@arkweld

That's not the point of it, and you clearly should be aware of that.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 11:22AM arkweld said

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Extrapolate then. Just because a few gaming sites shut down isn't going to make any difference to the people who hold control. Solidarity only counts when it has an effect on those that matter.

If a million people in Zimbabwe stop work for a day do you care? Of course not because it has no effect on your daily life or living experience at all.

Wikipedia has the position to make a point. Twitter had the position but failed to act.

Joystiq. Big deal. It's just another "shady" part of the internet where lawmakers will never tread or care about and since even gaming sites are shutting down in such tiny numbers it's a token position that only serves to get approval from the people who already visit. And they don't matter and are already against the bill anyway.

While the ESA might care a tiny bit (companies like Ubisoft won't because people will still buy their games) the rest of the media, broadcasting and entertainment world won't even notice. Where is the blackout at Pitchfork or AICN?
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 2:24PM Vcize said

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@arkweld

The point isn't to take a few game blogs away from a bunch of CEOs that have never even heard of it. The point is to spread awareness.

Most people have never heard of SOPA and have no idea what it is. I would bank on that number being somewhere around 97% of Americans have no clue, and will let it go by completely unnoticed until one day they can't view their friends picture on Facebook because someone had it taken down for SOPA.

If Joystiq gets 2 million visitors a day, that's 2 million more people that are now aware of it and that can write their congressman about it. 2 million may not make a difference, but Joystiq is just one of a multitude of sites that are failing to act here.

99% of people think SOPA is a terrible idea. 99% of all Americans hating something is a heck of a lot bigger deal than 99% of the very few people that know about it.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2012 1:20PM kgptzac said

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@Vcize

How many of that 2 million viewers don't use Wikipedia and haven't heard of its blackout ? Their decision to blackout is doing a favor for a lot of less influential sites like joystiq. If you want to be constructive in fighting against the bill, stop flaming sites who are against it but did not blackout, but do your own part to spread the word, such as writing a blog our contact your representative.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2012 9:46AM Ad134 said

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Joystiq, will you be boycotting E3 coverage? It's one way you can directly contribute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhVtAU9bqvw

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