The Xbox 360 dashboard update left some users seeing gray -- not metaphorically in the "their lives had lost all color and meaning" way, but in a literal sense. Videos on the new dash have appeared washed out and dull for some users, with black reading as gray, and Microsoft had previously ignored the complaint, even when it was brought up in beta testing, Eurogamer reports.
Xbox's Major Nelson tweeted yesterday that he's heard the public outcry -- or maybe he saw Eurogamer's in-depth demonstration of the new dash's short-range RGB levels -- and he says the team is working on a solution. "We're aware of the colorspace issue w/ some Xbox video apps & are working on a fix," Major Nelson wrote. "No ETA yet but we hope to have an update soon."
For now, maybe pretend all the new videos you watch on the Xbox dash are in "sepia" mode.
Reader Comments (43)
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:16PM Vidaluko said
@Mrblonde57 Is normal, some people never move the color, sharpness or that stuff form the TVs in the first place, so a lot of people never notice this stuff, the people who notice this stuff is people that have perfect settings for the HDTV model, and the Xbox settings, some people can have that gray effect just by buying a cheap HDTV....
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:24PM Cletus VanDamme said
@Mrblonde57
It's a huge difference. I have two Xboxes. One on the previous dashboard and one on the new dash. When both are hooked up to the same TV the difference in color between the two is huge.
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It's a huge difference. I have two Xboxes. One on the previous dashboard and one on the new dash. When both are hooked up to the same TV the difference in color between the two is huge.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:11PM baby sea tuna said
What determines who is effected by this? Model #? Region? We have 2 xboxes and use Hulu, Netflix, and DVDs on a daily basis and haven't had any color issues.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:21PM SeannyD said
@baby sea tuna It's subtle, but it's there. Basically the colors are going to look more washed out than they did before. Honestly, it hasn't been enough for me to start watching things on my PS3 but I'm glad that MS is finally doing something about it.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:25PM (Unverified) said
@baby sea tuna Every Xbox 360 with the update is affected by this bug, regardless of model or region. Whether it's a problem you'd notice is the question. There are defined video standards that the previous dashboard's video playback was compliant with that the new dashboard no longer maintains. The result is that black in video is now a dull gray and whites are compressed into the gray range as well, giving the overall video quality a horrible washed-out look. Most people are so accustomed to streaming video looking bad that they didn't notice (or didn't care), or they set their television's brightness/contrast by eye, ignoring the correct defined levels. However, black/white level test patterns played back on the dashboard's video player (which is NOT streaming) clearly show that the new method of rendering on the Metro dashboard is altering the video levels such that they are inconsistent (and woefully incorrect) from the rest of the dashboard and gameplay. And worse, the Reference Level control in the system settings no longer complies with the 0IRE/7.5IRE standards AND often seems to change for no apparent reason.
If you don't notice it, don't look for it. Ignorance is bliss. Once you know what you're looking for, it will bug the hell out of you. I'm glad Microsoft is FINALLY owning up to it, because it was only reported to them MONTHS AGO.
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If you don't notice it, don't look for it. Ignorance is bliss. Once you know what you're looking for, it will bug the hell out of you. I'm glad Microsoft is FINALLY owning up to it, because it was only reported to them MONTHS AGO.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:37PM baby sea tuna said
@(Unverified)
Huh, I guess I just never noticed. Now I'll have to look at it more closely when I go home...not that it really matters since, you're right again, my internet sucks so badly that all streaming videos look "good enough, but not fantastic" anyway. I guess it also helps that I watch a lot of sitcoms and am probably playing with an iPad or 3DS at the same time. ADD wins again!
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Huh, I guess I just never noticed. Now I'll have to look at it more closely when I go home...not that it really matters since, you're right again, my internet sucks so badly that all streaming videos look "good enough, but not fantastic" anyway. I guess it also helps that I watch a lot of sitcoms and am probably playing with an iPad or 3DS at the same time. ADD wins again!
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:12PM DericLee said
I'm an AV nerd and have my 50" Plasma and 7.1 surround sound calibrated to perfection.
For this reason I noticed it right away, my games still had great contrast and color, but video's no longer had deep blacks(they looked washed out) and colors look dull.
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For this reason I noticed it right away, my games still had great contrast and color, but video's no longer had deep blacks(they looked washed out) and colors look dull.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:53PM eat it said
@DericLee
same here. I'm just a visual nerd though. The first thing I did with my new xbox was put a calibration disc in and run some quick tests and made sure all of the display options were set correctly on the xbox itself.
I shed a tear each time I go to my friends' houses and they have the sharpness and brightness jacked up to like 85 out of a 100 and contrast is up all the way.
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same here. I'm just a visual nerd though. The first thing I did with my new xbox was put a calibration disc in and run some quick tests and made sure all of the display options were set correctly on the xbox itself.
I shed a tear each time I go to my friends' houses and they have the sharpness and brightness jacked up to like 85 out of a 100 and contrast is up all the way.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 5:26PM shinseiromeo said
@DericLee
Noticed it lately as well. I completely forgot about this bug. It needs to be fixed immediately.
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Noticed it lately as well. I completely forgot about this bug. It needs to be fixed immediately.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:16PM Will Dearborn said
What about the imposed 720p restriction on 3rd-party, non-Zune content reported by Eurogamer’s Digital Foundry?
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:18PM (Unverified) said
Oh, so NOW Joystiq decides to cover this? Really? We've been sending you the Eurogamer story for over a month now to try to call attention to this issue!
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:39PM baby sea tuna said
@(Unverified)
I am convinced that they never check that "tips" email address.
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I am convinced that they never check that "tips" email address.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 3:20PM Styli said
@baby sea tuna
Yeah, I've tipped them off several times in the past only to be ignored and then the story appears 3 days later with a "via [insert other news site here]"
I don't know why they bother having the feature. However, it could be related to the issue where my comments don't always post or else take hours to appear.
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Yeah, I've tipped them off several times in the past only to be ignored and then the story appears 3 days later with a "via [insert other news site here]"
I don't know why they bother having the feature. However, it could be related to the issue where my comments don't always post or else take hours to appear.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:09PM (Unverified) said
@jsx92 Well, I'm sure it works in some manner... but myself and several others sent both Eurogamer articles in and Joystiq curiously never covered it until now. Fortunately, other sites like Kotaku did.
Of course, I can't even get my damn comment account to stop saying UNVERIFIED, so who knows?
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Of course, I can't even get my damn comment account to stop saying UNVERIFIED, so who knows?
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:20PM Remo Williams said
At first I read the highlighted option in the picture as "More explosions."
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:43PM Jeremy White said
@Altairio
They need to fix it. The Netflix interface is disgusting. You want to select a certain episode of a TV series? Sorry, you have to first start up an episode to get to the menu. You want to rate a series? You have to start up an episode to do that. I hate it so much.
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They need to fix it. The Netflix interface is disgusting. You want to select a certain episode of a TV series? Sorry, you have to first start up an episode to get to the menu. You want to rate a series? You have to start up an episode to do that. I hate it so much.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 2:39PM darkinchworm said
I finally got an HDTV around the time the new dash debuted, so I of course didn't notice much of anything beyond saying "ooh honey look! Everything is better!"
But if they can squeeze better things out of the Netflix app, they have my support.
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But if they can squeeze better things out of the Netflix app, they have my support.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 3:09PM baby sea tuna said
@darkinchworm
I think it's cute that you call your Xbox "honey." ;p
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I think it's cute that you call your Xbox "honey." ;p
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 3:15PM darkinchworm said
@baby sea tuna
I had to suppress my excitement for the first few months, but over the years we've become so affectionate toward one another. She may change as time goes on but oh, she's just as fun.
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I had to suppress my excitement for the first few months, but over the years we've become so affectionate toward one another. She may change as time goes on but oh, she's just as fun.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 3:19PM Patricio87 said
The new dashboard sucks so bad. It's full of ads and I can't even see my avatar. Lame!
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:08PM (Unverified) said
I've rented a few movies on my projector for the first time on xbox video marketplace. I noticed it right away but chalked it up to MS crappy video streaming. It's good to hear it's a issue because the movies looked washed out on my wall.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 4:15PM Ghost Toon said
How about re-adding party viewing in Netflix? I miss watching movies with friends. I don't use Netflix nearly as much anymore.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2012 7:37PM (Unverified) said
STUPID SONY! You never do anything right! Never listen to your customers!
Oh..
It was Microstoft?
OK.
NVM then.
Seriously. I love being so biased.
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Oh..
It was Microstoft?
OK.
NVM then.
Seriously. I love being so biased.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 8:48PM Ravenshadow said
Everyone has this problem whether they realize it or not.
If you want to find out, test a movie that has black bars on top and bottom, then play the video at your standard color settings and see if the black in the credits looks grey, or black as oppossed to the pure black bars on top and bottom.
Many of us submitted this issue in the Beta, but it was not addressed. I called in to microsoft as well as submitted my findings to eurogamer. I'm glad MS finally listed.
For those who are wondering, games are fine at their default setting, but videos in various apps such as the dashboard video, zune, netflix, videoplayer, etc. DVD is not affected as far as i can tell.
Hopefully the fix happens soon.
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If you want to find out, test a movie that has black bars on top and bottom, then play the video at your standard color settings and see if the black in the credits looks grey, or black as oppossed to the pure black bars on top and bottom.
Many of us submitted this issue in the Beta, but it was not addressed. I called in to microsoft as well as submitted my findings to eurogamer. I'm glad MS finally listed.
For those who are wondering, games are fine at their default setting, but videos in various apps such as the dashboard video, zune, netflix, videoplayer, etc. DVD is not affected as far as i can tell.
Hopefully the fix happens soon.
Posted: Jan 20th 2012 10:21PM Bitter Kevin said
I noticed this problem too, and was surprised it still hadn't been addressed. I used to use Full RGB but after the update, Netflix was totally whitewashed. Instead of my default setting for brightness (50) being fine, I had to crank it way down to 30 or so. The problem is, games were still tuned properly on default, so I had to create another custom setting for my TV if I wanted to use Netflix. Very annoying.
You can see this if your games look fine (black is black), but the letterboxing in a movie is gray. Setting the Xbox to YCC709 somewhat alleviates the issue (it's still off by a few notches).
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You can see this if your games look fine (black is black), but the letterboxing in a movie is gray. Setting the Xbox to YCC709 somewhat alleviates the issue (it's still off by a few notches).
Posted: Jan 22nd 2012 12:25PM moroboshi said
Post the Xbox dash update I now use my PS3 exclusively for video. It's a shame as the 1080p Zune rentals used to look pretty nice.
Oh and Netflix on Xbox is horrible. The PS3's Netflix looks rather basic, but is actually far more usable, plus it does 1080p and has correct black levels.
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Oh and Netflix on Xbox is horrible. The PS3's Netflix looks rather basic, but is actually far more usable, plus it does 1080p and has correct black levels.
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