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Posted: Feb 25th 2012 3:07PM jms1218 said

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@liquidsoap89

The article is good. Just let it go, dude.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:05AM soniccar said

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Most important game I'll never play, you say?

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:13AM frenzy said

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Excellent article, Rowan! Ultima VI was my first RPG, and I loved it. I really enjoyed VII and all its expansions. I played and beat VIII, but I didn't really like it. It was like Mario bros. (jumping around) meets Ultima, and it wasn't very good mix, IMO.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:22AM (Unverified) said

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@frenzy U8 was terrible. I could not convey the magnitude of its terribleness in the few lines I gave it to it, but believe you me, you are not alone in hating it. It's gotta be in the top 2 or 3 of the Most Disappointing Games Of All Time list.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:37AM frenzy said

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@(Unverified) #1 must be Outpost :D. Also, LOL at your avatar. Very appropriate for the article.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 1:45AM (Unverified) said

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@frenzy Outpost is certainly up there, but since it wasn't part of such an important series, I dunno if I'd say it can beat U8.

And yes, it's my AVATAR! avatar.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 1:10AM kalmis said

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Very nice article. Ultimat V was my first ever proper RPG.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 1:57AM killias2 said

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You didn't discuss it at all, but the Ultima series (along with Wizardry) was basically the basis for Dragon Quest 1. Literally, they played Wizardry and they played Ultima, and though, "These games are awesome! Can we find a way to bring this to Japan?" They took the exploration elements from Ultima's overworld map and the battles from Wizardry (more in perspective than in terms of mechanics). Then, in order to get it working on consoles, they simplified and streamlined what they could. Dragon Quest was born.

For any who aren't aware, Dragon Quest is -the- great granddaddy of JRPGs. Pretty much the whole industry spawned from Dragon Quest.. which came from Ultima.. and Wizardry.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 2:17AM (Unverified) said

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@killias2 I should have been more direct about that, perhaps, yes. I will definitely be discussing the influence of Wizardry on Japanese games at some point soon, I'm going to actually play that first-ever Wizardry and write about it.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:38PM killias2 said

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Haha, good luck with that. CRPG Addict played it a while back. Suffice to say, it sounds like a BRUTAL experience.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 2:26AM ecco6t9 said

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Shame that we never got the DS revival of the series.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 2:42AM hotstew said

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Just because it came first doesn't mean it's responsible for all the games that came after it. Somebody had to make those games too. If you think Skyrim is just a logical conclusion of Ultima, take off your nostalgia glasses and give Bethesda some credit.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 8:53AM Cyclone Jack said

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@hotstew

Actually, it has been stated by the developers that Ultima Underworld was one of the main inspirations for TES:Arena.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:27PM Chiren said

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@hotstew

That cloth map that comes with Skyrim box? Ultima
That game manual? homage to Ultima

Bethesda is successful in their own right, and have nothing to prove or live up to, but credit where credit is due - and in this case - its due to Ultima.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 9:09AM theasp18 said

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All Hail Evil Avatars! (You have to go back to the Prodigy days for that one).

Posted: Mar 31st 2012 6:31PM tbb said

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@theasp18 oh wow prodigy, I'll never forget typing out long complicated posts only to either have them lost due to prodigy disconnecting, or getting them deleted by the mods because (at least in the beginning) they didn't get that storyline related posts were "legit". The Evil Avatars, first online "community" I ever really felt a part of. I was also in Michael Morley's offshoot, Warriors of Tyrrany, oh wow, that was 20+ years ago. I feel so old.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 9:26AM MusiM said

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Ultima? Betrayal at Krondor? Definitely a new Joystiq where these games get respect.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 10:22AM Sulfur said

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I just created this account to simply say "Thank you" for this article. I haven't thought about this wonderful series for far too long.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:55PM The8bitPlaya said

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@Sulfur

I completely understand. I don't comment very often but this article deserves it.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 10:59AM Redeemer said

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Thanks for this article. I can't believe that I have forgotten all about the Ultima series, even though my friends played Ultima 6 and those spin-offs to death. I never had a computer that I could play games on until much later, which is when I started playing Ultima 7 to death. I loved being able to churn butter and bake bread! Yeah there wasn't much point to it but being able to get water from a well and then use the water on flour to make dough and then to put it in an oven and wait for it to turn into dough? No other game allowed me to do such mundane things before! :D

It was nice little touches like that that made the game much more immersive.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 11:03AM Anguissette said

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I have only played (and finished) the original Ultima. That was in 1981-82 on an Apple II. I think I still have the character floppy disk around somewhere; it is labeled "Harvey."

After that I played Wizardry (I don't remember finishing it).

I didn't return to RPGs until Fallout 3.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 11:22AM Airk said

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Now it is time for me to make a shameless plug for Ultima V: Lazarus (http://www.u5lazarus.com/) and the Ultima VI Project (http://u6project.com/) which are magnificent "remakes" (for lack of a better term) of U5 and U6 respectively, using a heavily modified Dungeon Siege engine. You need a copy of the original Dungeon Siege, but if you have one kicking around (or want to drop like $10 for it on Ebay or something) these offerings are a magnificent way to experience everything that is good about U5 and U6, with a somewhat more modern coat of paint on them.

I strongly recommend them to any fan of the series.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 11:43AM Cranky Penguin said

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Ultimas were the last game series you could literally get lost in. There was no large scale maps you could call up with M, you could go sailing on your boat, get blown off course and end up on an island and you wouldn't be able to tell which one for a while and you would carefully have to get bearings from checking your cloth map.
Rant time: I really miss the days when instructions/maps were an important part of the game, this is how you encourage new game sales is by including awesome and necessary trinkets in the game package. But now companies like EA (thanks for destroying bioware and Origin btw) are so cheap that they don't even give you manuals anymore, they charge you extra for used copies just because they now have the technological means to do so and they certainly don't give you any cloth maps. There was an appreciation for the paying customer in those days that has been completely lost now. Ultima IV also had the best copy protection of all time, the game functioned perfectly except you could never get good enough in the game's morality system to progress to later stages of the game.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:13PM NathanAllen said

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No love for Bard's Tale and Wasteland?

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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@NathanAllen What about them?
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Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:52PM The8bitPlaya said

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Great article. Ultima shaped me into the RPG lover that I am today. My fondest memories of my childhood include my Dad and I playing these games.

I would love to see a resurrection of this series.

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 12:53PM Starcade said

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I really wish this would have been re-introduced on XBLA and PSN. It's been years since I've played these games. Would also love to see Wing Commander re-released. Anyone from EA out there? :)

Posted: Jan 27th 2012 3:52PM Cranky Penguin said

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@Starcade GOG has Wing Commanders 1-3 and Privateer.
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Posted: Jan 29th 2012 2:01PM Elikal said

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Absofrigginglutely YES.

Posted: Jan 29th 2012 8:07PM The Mad Prophet said

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Ultima: Exodus on the NES was my first RPG, which I LOVED, but when Quest of the Avatar came out, I was just simply blown away. I wanted to create a church of Ultima. I wanted to get a tattoo of an ankh. I wanted to have Lord British's baby (despite my inability to do so, as a male). Simply put, Ultima was a drug that I needed more of! But as poor as the last two games ended up being, the series will always have a special place in my gaming heart!

Posted: Jan 29th 2012 8:14PM (Unverified) said

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Even if you exclude MUDs and MUSHs, Meridian 59 still came before UO. And it really bothers me that Rowan didn't check this important fact.

Regardless, Ultima is still very important in the history of RPGs. I often scoff when people tell me Western RPGs owe their existence to Final Fantasy, considering it was actually the Ultima series that popularized the graphical RPG genre.

Posted: Jan 30th 2012 7:50PM srslyyou said

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@(Unverified) I believe Wizardry was Japans first introduction to the RPG and that was the catalyst to start Dragon Warrior then Final Fantasy which slowly caught on here in the US.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 2:11AM (Unverified) said

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@srslyyou That's Japan. But you're also over-simplifying things. The influences on Final Fantasy were numerous: Wizardry, Dragon Quest, Ultima and Zelda were all influences. Dragon Quest probably has the most direct influence on FF.

But the influences on Western RPGs is mainly Dungeons and Dragons and Ultima. Japanese titles definitely have some influence, but none moreso than those two.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2012 9:00AM 3NV7 said

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@(Unverified) Yes, Meridian 59 came out before UO. But UO was far more successful and influential.... it laid the groundwork for future MMOs.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2012 4:59PM dexeron said

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Great article. Those who've played the Ultima games know why it's true. U5 will always be one of my favorite games of all time, followed very closely by the two parts of U7.

Looking forward to your article on Betrayal at Krondor.

Posted: Jan 30th 2012 7:48PM srslyyou said

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More articles like this on Joystiq! I wouldn't mind them being longer and even more in depth either.

Never had a chance to play Ultima before and since time hasn't been that kind to most games of this age I'd rather just go with history at this point. Though who knows is someone made an ipad port that was decent it could get my attention.

Posted: Jan 31st 2012 8:59AM 3NV7 said

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Great article... Ultima V was my first proper RPG... I tooled around with Questron II beforehand, but never got very far (and it was a blatant Ultima rip-off to boot).

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