38 Studios head Curt Schilling elaborates on Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning online pass quest lockout

@woz3323 I have a similar argument as well. When I was a kid I grew up in a single parent household and saved up money from babysitting to buy games. For the most part, all I could afford to buy was used. Now I am an adult with disposable income and I buy all my games new. What would have happened if I hadn't been able to buy games as a kid? Would I have outgrown the past time really young and stopped playing? It's impossible to say but I strongly suspect yes. Used game sales have their place, too.

@woz3323
No one is saying you can't get anything second hand, they're just saying if you do you'll get 90% of the game instead of 100%. No offense but if you're paying less to "try it out" then don't complain that you're getting less.

@Lotobarnes
Not necessarily a great THING, not game. Sorry for the mistype.

@Art84 Don't buy the "Oh poor studios" argument. They are doing this stuff on consoles because the online infrastructure for consoles can support it. They will not go bankrupt if they quit doing this crap, they are doing it for one reason only: because they can. If they are on such thin profit margins that they would go bankrupt without doing this crap, then I am happy to see them go bankrupt. The video game industry existed for 30 years without this crap, I don't think it's in danger of dying any time soon.

@NothingShocking

It's totally insane if you ask me.

The content in the DLC was not finished when the game went gold, meaning it is not on the disc. They have now finished the content, and are GIVING it away on day one. Why is this a problem?

As far as people complaining about needing the internet to down load, how is it that you are posting here, presumably using the internet, in the first place?

And for the people angry because they might not be able to get the code in a used game.../facepalm. You don't deserve the codes if you buy used. Buying used does not help the industry, it only helps second hand sellers. You want new games, but don't want to support the people who make them...Logic fail.

@(Unverified)

"The content in the DLC was not finished when the game went gold"

Prove it. Curt Schilling or EA's word here is not good enough. They've been hyping six factions since last summer. The game just went gold this month. Logic dictates they've been working on this content for months already and purposefully left it off the disc so it could be partitioned off as online pass locked content.

"They have now finished the content, and are GIVING it away on day one"

Schilling himself said the first DLC was planned for around the time Mass Effect 3 releases, about a month or so out, and would be epic in breadth and scale. So either this House of Valor content wasn't considered DLC even by him prior to this news, or they moved it up and have been misleading the public about six factions being included in the game all this time. A sixth faction and 7 quests doesn't seem to me to be epic grand scale content so I personally would say this wasn't ever really considered true DLC prior to this PR spin.

"As far as people complaining about needing the internet to down load, how is it that you are posting here"

We can't speak for others?

"You don't deserve the codes if you buy used."

Even used game buyers deserve the full single player game that was promised long ago. A main quest and six factions. Just because you're a rabid fan of Amalur and would pay whatever 38S/BHG/EA asks, doesn't mean everyone else is, and doesn't excuse the exclusion of long promised content for renters/borrowers/used game buyers.

"Buying used does not help the industry, it only helps second hand sellers."

.../facepalm. It's been pointed out time and time again that the used game industry directly subsidizes new game purchases. You can't definitively conclude "used games r bad" until a thorough study has been done on it's impact. Gamestop for example would probably be more than willing to share their preorder numbers.

@Bielzer

Even if true, that's largely irrelevant. They are wholly different businesses: specialty retailer vs game developers/publishers. Like it or not, Gamestop is successful because they fill a niche. The used game market would undoubtedly continue on without them though. The money would flow differently, but it still wouldn't go to EA.

@Altairio
The code is a reward for supporting them, if you don't support them by buying it new then don't complain you don't get the code, it's that simple. It's ridiculous to say "I deserve to get the full benefit of someone who supported the studio and paid full price even though I waited a few months and then deliberately bought a copy that they don't get proceeds from." If you don't have money for a new copy then that sucks I know but that doesn't mean you get to complain about not getting 100% of a game that you didn't pay 100% of the price for.

@Lotobarnes

Uhm, no, I'll complain they are not giving everyone the same game they've been hyping for months now. Per the dev's themselves in an August Q&A: "Reckoning’s structure is extremely open. The main quest and each of the six factions contains a mostly-linear narrative you can follow, but you can veer off and pursue hundreds of different sidequests at any time." Six factions. SIX. They considered House of Valor to be a part of the game proper from the start. Calling it bonus DLC now, as a reward, is bullshit PR spin and nothing more. I don't care at all how you feel about used games or whether you feel the devs are getting their fair compensation. It doesn't mean jack or shit to me. They created and hyped content and are now blocking it off from all gamers just in a misguided attempt to dissuade used game sales. It is wrong plain and simple. You posted earlier it's like getting 90% of the game if you buy it used, and the fact that you're not only okay with that premise, but actively defend it, is mind boggling to me.

@Altairio
Bottom line is: if you want to buy it used then buy it used and if you like what you play and want what you missed then buy the dlc on its own and you most likely won't have spent anymore than someone who bought the game new and you still get the full game. No one loses in that scenario. People who buy it new get their game, people who buy used get the full game, and the developer gets atleast some money from you via the DLC.