Skyrim's Creation Kit available 'soon' on PC; latest vid offers a first look

@SgtBananas I hope Fallout 4 is the next game.

@SgtBananas I really hope they release an expansion to this game, either like Shivering Isles or even Fallout New Vegas. I'm not finished with the Nords yet.

@Man Or Monster It will be dedicated to Adult mods.

@xenothaulus If the mods end up being anything like Oblivion mods you should do yourself a favor and sell your 360 copy now while the value is still high and buy the PC version.

@Slight of Ham

+1

@Aerothorn And just to be clear: this is not a sort of general PC elitism speaking here. There are a lot of game designs that work really well on consoles. The Elder Scrolls just isn't one of them, even if they've made a lot of changes/streamlining to get it to work well with a gamepad.

@Aerothorn

I bought in on console. As did millions others (not sure of actual sales numbers, but I imagine it's pretty high). I just prefer console gaming in general. The only game I play on PC is Minecraft and that's only because as of now, there isn't a console alternative.

@TraceurRyuk Part III

But of those millions, I think the vast majority of them can be placed in one of two (overlapping) categories:

1. People who have no experience/history playing games on PC. Trying a game on PC takes some extra effort that just isn't worth it; it outside their comfort zone.

2. People who (possibly because of one) have either no conception of modding or only an abstract one; it's not clear to them just how substantially mods improve Elder Scrolls games, regardless of your tastes (because there are mods to suit anyone). Not to mention the aforementioned bug-circumventing capabilities.

So to put it another way: I misspoke when I said I "didn't understand." I guess I just meant that it's really hard for me to imagine, given how much better the PC experience is in with this specific franchise.

In other words, even if you prefer using consoles in general, it seems like any sort of version comparison would strongly favor PC. And if you really want to play it on the couch with a gamepad, well, you can do that - as Joystiq (somewhat strangely) did for their Witcher 2 review.

@Aerothorn

No. I get that PC is the superior version. I don't even have a PC capable of running it. A gaming PC just never seemed like a good investment to me.

@TraceurRyuk Part III

Yeah, in the past PC gaming has definitely been more expensive than console gaming (unless you buy all the consoles, anyway). I'm not so sure this is true anymore, though. It is at this point in the console lifecycle given how old the hardware is, but come the next (and last?) generation of consoles, I'm not so sure.

First, even today, you can build a gaming PC with pretty hefty power (certainly plenty to run Skyrim!) for all of $600. Ordering it would cost more, maybe $750. But it's really an up-front cost, because the actual *games* are so much cheaper. There's the historic $10 you save on new releases (though some publishers are trying to fight this through sheer greed, which is particularly egregious when they put less effort into the PC version; see Skyrim!) but between the massive Steam sales and more indie bundles you can shake a stick at, you can end up getting games for really, really cheap. My *big* purchase was L.A. Noire for $12 on the last round, and I got a lot more games for $5 or so. At the end of the day I think it's actually cheaper than if I gamed on 360, where there is a lot more price control. And, of course, that's ignoring all the free games.

@Aerothorn

I ended up picking up L.A Noire a couple weeks ago for $17 used. Most of my friends are on console and I love the console exclusives (Uncharted, LBP, inFamous, Resistance, etc). My computer isn't horrible. It has a decent amount of RAM it just has a really bad integrated graphics card. But it's sufficient enough to run Minecraft, and some MMOs that aren't available to console. As of now, $700 is just way too much for me, and it's gonna be more when the next generation of games start coming. I would rather pay $300-$400 every 6 or 7 years than constantly upgrading my PC. That's just me though. It would be nice to be able to mod and stuff. So I guess the perks make up for it.

@TraceurRyuk Part III

Yeah, you can definitely get the AAA titles for fairly cheap after a year or so; they don't depreciate quite as fast or as much, but still a lot. Though usually you have to get them used to get them at those prices, so none of it goes to the devs (which is a totally separate issue!).

I think you're right that social circle often just makes the decision for you. The only think keeping the console/PC divide existent right now, in terms of multiplayer, is worries about balance issues with gamepad vs. mouse input (and, of course, the fact that the multiplayer would have to use the settings of the lowest common demonimator) but I think it won't be long before it falls.

Likewise, consoles are totally capable of modding; making things on a gamepad is harder, but you could always just plug in a USB keyboard/mouse if the publishers would support them. It's just that Sony , Microsoft and Nintendo are so controlling about their hardware that they won't allow it. I hope they change their ways soon.