DownwardMonkey

Said it before, I'll say it again. I found Bioshock average, good average but average. I've gone back to Half Life 2 and R&C.

As I've said below, this has nothing to do with 3G and everything to do with now being locked into an 18 month contract with O2 to be told 3 days later that Vodafone will be the ones getting the iPhone 3G model (add on the fact that I HAD a Vodafone contract in the first place). I don't need 3G but the option to upgrade to it (you can bet 3G probably isn't the only new thing on it) without changing contracts AGAIN better be the case.

This isn't being an early adopter (something I always accept when I buy early) it's about being messed around and lied to over contracts spanning 18 months.

Personally I don't believe this to be true but if it is then I won't trust Apple anymore and won't be using their products again.

You've totally missed the point.

I've been pushed into a contract with O2 which I wasn't happy with but I accepted, if this rumor is true then Vodafone and not O2 will be getting the 3G model. I don't NEED 3G at all, it would be nice but I'm near wifi a lot so it really isn't a problem for me but I've just cancelled my Vodafone contract and moved over to O2 and was then messed around by O2 when it came to buying the phone.

I wasn't happy about moving contract and felt that it was a even bigger mistake to make over here than it was in the US but I love my Apple products and changed over to O2. If it turns out that I could have stayed out of a contract with O2 and just waited a few months for a better model then I will feel very very messed around (and almost lied to) by Apple and O2 and I will be selling my Apple products and moving over full time to Linux.

Like I said above, I use Apple because I want to not because I have to.

I'll wait and see how much fact is in this rumor but I hope that it's nothing more than that.

I'm with you 100%, if this is the case and this story is true then I'm selling my desk Mac my MacBook and my iPhone and I'll stick with my Linux machine. I'm already at breaking point after the O2 shop screwed me around, I use Macs because I want to not because I have to and I won't be dicked around like this

Nope, I'm with you all the way. Everything from Myspace to my phone I spell things out how they are meant to be spelt. I'm dyslexic and I spent forever as a kid being a joke for not being able to spell and now feel that everyone else has given up.

@8 Wrong. British Cathedrals are privately owned by the Church of England and the Cathedral in question is not kept by taxation so your point is utterly invalid. The doors are kept open to the public because they want to, not because they have to.

The image of the Cathedral (which Sony confirmed IS the one in the game, not just one like it) is also protected by British law because of the rebuilding that had to be done after terrorist attacks which leads me back on to this following point again...

...As a gamer and a FPS fan I do not like the violence flag being waved by Jack Thompson and his followers but this has nothing to do with him, this is about a building that is privately owned and was used without permission. A building that is exposed not only to rising young person gun crime but also WW2 BOMBS and a TERRORIST attack some time ago.

I'm sure you don't like my world Consolcwby but in my world I try and see both sides of a problem and even as a long time gamer I can understand why they wouldn't want their building as a place for more violence (real or not) and at the very least Sony should have asked permission.

@6 HOW is this like Jack Thompson? It's THEIR Church, THEIR property, in THEIR city. They are not trying to stop you playing all violent games and not pushing a huge campaign to rid the world of computer games. Given the gun crime problems that the Church is dealing with and the fact that this is THEIR property can you please tell me why this should be any different than the R6 Vegas IP issues?

It's the same old story with us gamers, as soon as someone raises an issue with a game we just throw our rattles out of our prams and cry "teh manz is trying 2 take awayz our gamez!!!one!1", completely ignoring any back facts or story.

Again, can someone tell my why Vegas should be respected because of money and trademark in a 3D world but a Church in a city with a gun problem shouldn't?

@3 If you actually read the information you'd see that Manchester has a growing gun crime problem that the Church has been involved in. They wanted nothing to do with guns in real life or in fiction and this is why they had a problem with a fictional gun battle inside the Church.

It would seem many people need to stop throwing random crap at the Church of England (like post 4, I think you mean the catholic Church which has nothing to do with the Church of England) and take a quick read of the facts as to why they got upset about the game, they are not evil Christians trying to stop you playing any computer games ever.

@1 Interestingly I'm not interested in being lectured either, so I gave reading the rest of your post a miss.

Ah now it all becomes clear, thanks all.