@cole1114 Some of you people should really invest in new controllers...
I played the demo and I own the game and at NO point have I ever tried to turn left and ended up going right instead. I've put in nearly 30 hours online alone, and again... not ONCE have I tried to turn left and gone right.
"Given the demo's difficulty, we didn't make it much further than halfway through"
Just a long shot but could that be because you didn't play it co-operatively? One person drawing enemy fire, one person flanking is just one example....
"The incentive towards co-op play got thinner as we extracted the target and headed back outside to our transport"
Other than staying alive and finishing the mission?
Ahhh Joystiq.... you never fail to give me a chuckle.
"Guns are great! they are a hell of a lot of fun and shooting is a fantastic sport."
Driving really fast is great! It sure is a lot of fun and doing 120mph in a 60mph area is a fantastic thrill! So what if some irresponsible people kill people, I don't see why they should enforce speed limits and ruin MY fun! I never killed anyone driving really fast.
"Yes because I'm the stupid one who wasted their money on a useless game like minecraft, oh wait..."
Well done.. you didn't buy a game you didn't like.
...and you care that other people spent their money it and enjoy playing it because? It drastically lowers the quality of your life? Your own gaming experiences are ruined because of Minecraft? It makes you feel superior to put other people down for enjoying something you didn't? Or like many others you have the definitions of opinion and fact confused perhaps?
I buy new... no piracy. Saying that, think about this;
People were pirating C64 games in the 80's and have continued to pirate games up to the very second I type this and way into the future no doubt.
The gaming industry has had massive growth since the 80's and shows no sign of stopping. No C64/Speccy games were selling black ops kind of numbers in the 80's yet todays games often can and do outstrip some movie earnings despite all this piracy "ruining the industry"
Dress it up however you want, throw whatever insults you want at modders/hackers/pirates... People pirating games today will not stop the growth and earnings of the videogames industry tomorrow.
...not to mention, if you buy used games you may as well just pirate the damn things. It's not like the devs get anything from the resale.
""For movies, the majority (not all, what with the recent drive in 3D and CGI graphics) can still be recorded with the same techniques that have been around for decades.""
onwards.. I need to read a little more carefully - "(not all, what with the recent drive in 3D and CGI graphics)" before I pull the avatar guff out next time :)
"But as for the reason the games remain to be a fixed price, in my opinion, is due to the fact that the development costs continuously rise because the systems they develop for keep rising in complexity"
Yes... and profits rise on an equal level so while I see the reasoning behind your argument, I do not agree at all.
Take this for example, quoted from an article on GamePolitics titled, "Best Selling UK Game Ever: Modern Warfare 2" (go look it up)
"Modern Warfare 2 managed to stay in top ten for 38 out of 41 weeks - falling below that threshold last week. It probably didn't hurt the bottom line when the game moved 1.23 million copies on the day of release and brought in around £47 million ($77.85 million) for Activision in the UK; in the U.S. the game grossed around $550 million in its first five days of release."
OK.. so I agree, production costs for Modern Warfare 2 are going to be higher than for say, Wolfenstein 3D to use a retro title as an example. But the profits will be even higher than Wolfensteins profits.
If you seriously think that rising production costs justify game prices staying virtually constant for 20 years with little deviation, when faced with the sales figures of the top tier of games... enjoy your high paid corporate job in EA as I can't imagine any gamer seriously thinking that keeping games at a solid £40 price range for 20 years when all other forms of media have been decreasing prices whilst still suffering increasing productions costs.
"For movies, the majority (not all, what with the recent drive in 3D and CGI graphics) can still be recorded with the same techniques that have been around for decades."
So, Avatar CGI vs.. anything from the early days of CGI is;
A) comparable in terms of quality, and B) on a similar cost basis to produce?
Firstly, I'm not advocating piracy. I have a job, I buy new at retail on the games I know I want, for the ones I'm unsure on, that is what rental services and bargain bins are for.
Secondly.. the "piracy is killing gaming" argument is a little skewed.
In the 80's I knew of people who had loads of 90 min cassette tapes lying around loaded with C64/Spectrum games. People would literally tape-to-tape them and share them around. Long term effect on gaming industry? Gaming is still here and stronger than ever.
Do some research on every console release in the last 30 years and see how many of them have been 'victims' of piracy. Done? It's a lot right? Long term effect on gaming industry? Gaming is still here and stronger than ever.
I'm a firm believer in paying for what I use... but let us be honest here, piracy has, and will be around forever. Removing articles on joystiq will change nothing.
..now, while I may be a believer in paying for what I use, let me just also say in response to this comment by unverified;
"If they really want to combat piracy, they should cut the prices of their releases. It helped the movie industry."
This. This a hundred times over. Now, I made the jump from C64 to Megadrive with nothing in between so my memory of pricing may be out of whack here but... I can remember Virtua Racing coming out for the Megadrive and being priced at about £45 here in the UK. I was just in my local Game retailer and saw that even now, 20 years later, game prices (in the UK at least) are still hovering around the £40 mark.
Going back to unverified's comment, I can also remember when a DVD could cost anything up to £20 from say.. HMV. Now, I can pick up recent releases in Tesco for about £6 as long as I don't mind not having the directors cut/special edition or whatever.
Likewise for CD's. Price has consistently dropped over the years.
Gaming however continues to squeeze every penny every step of the way whilst singing the same old piracy tune. or putting out tired sequels every year. Maybe a few times a decade we get a real innovation that changes things, but the next 10 years are spent churning out clones of the innovation till the point where if you see another GTA clone, or sandbox game with more focus on the sandbox and little on the actual game that takes place within it.. well, you get what I'm saying here.
Very little innovation, lots of clones, unwavering resistance to price drops, constantly introducing DRM that hinders gamers more than anyone, ripp-off DLC packs, half baked movie cash-in games, tired sequels... the list goes on.
I love gaming, and I've obviously exaggerated the negative side a little to prove a point here.. which I have now forgotten?
Yeah, buy your games, pirating is a lil dodgy but in the face of the points I mention reasonably understandable, and more importantly has been around the last 25+ years of gaming that I remember yet gaming moves from strength to strength.
"Bungie community lead Brian Jarrard later insisted that the Infinity Ward situation wasn't addressed during the developer's meetings with Activision ... Really, guys? That didn't come up? Not even while you were waiting for your Bloomin' Onion or anything? Like, what did you talk about?"
"It's called you are the Booty-call to Activision, they just callin ya up cause of Infinity Ward."
Yeah.. I would guess a multi-million dollar deal like this just happens overnight.
I'm really sure Activsion and Bungie WONT have been talking about this behind closed doors for at least a year. No, no.. what will have happened is, all the IW stuff kicked off and Activision just picked up the phone, called Bungie, said;
"Hey, IW are hitting the bricks, why don't you come over?"
...then Bungie, I'm sure will have replied;
"Sure thing guize! We'll agree a 10 year contract for millions of dollars literally in about 4 days to bail you out of this IW mess!"
/sarcasm
Lets knock on the door and ask for Ronnie Real ehh?
This deal has likely been in the pipelines for AGES. Deals like this do not happen overnight as some form of damage control for crying out loud! How naive do you have to be to think Activision just called Bungie up and the next day entered into a 10 year contract?
...and then assume this is all in direct response to the IW fiasco?
I dislike Activision as much as the next gamer but c'mon!
Driver San Francisco review: A beautiful dream
Sep 7th 2011 6:46AM (Joystiq)I played the demo and I own the game and at NO point have I ever tried to turn left and ended up going right instead. I've put in nearly 30 hours online alone, and again... not ONCE have I tried to turn left and gone right.
Battlefield 3 co-op preview: Army of one
Aug 23rd 2011 6:30AM (Joystiq)Just a long shot but could that be because you didn't play it co-operatively? One person drawing enemy fire, one person flanking is just one example....
"The incentive towards co-op play got thinner as we extracted the target and headed back outside to our transport"
Other than staying alive and finishing the mission?
Ahhh Joystiq.... you never fail to give me a chuckle.
Sony issues more court documents in hacking case, GeoHot's lawyer responds
Jan 14th 2011 6:33AM (Joystiq)"Guns are great! they are a hell of a lot of fun and shooting is a fantastic sport."
Driving really fast is great! It sure is a lot of fun and doing 120mph in a 60mph area is a fantastic thrill! So what if some irresponsible people kill people, I don't see why they should enforce speed limits and ruin MY fun! I never killed anyone driving really fast.
Minecraft becomes a million-seller
Jan 13th 2011 7:03AM (Joystiq)"Yes because I'm the stupid one who wasted their money on a useless game like minecraft, oh wait..."
Well done.. you didn't buy a game you didn't like.
...and you care that other people spent their money it and enjoy playing it because? It drastically lowers the quality of your life? Your own gaming experiences are ruined because of Minecraft? It makes you feel superior to put other people down for enjoying something you didn't? Or like many others you have the definitions of opinion and fact confused perhaps?
Hacker GeoHot claims release of PS3 root key
Jan 5th 2011 9:45AM (Joystiq)People were pirating C64 games in the 80's and have continued to pirate games up to the very second I type this and way into the future no doubt.
The gaming industry has had massive growth since the 80's and shows no sign of stopping. No C64/Speccy games were selling black ops kind of numbers in the 80's yet todays games often can and do outstrip some movie earnings despite all this piracy "ruining the industry"
Dress it up however you want, throw whatever insults you want at modders/hackers/pirates... People pirating games today will not stop the growth and earnings of the videogames industry tomorrow.
...not to mention, if you buy used games you may as well just pirate the damn things. It's not like the devs get anything from the resale.
USB modchip device claims to enable PS3 game backups [update]
Aug 24th 2010 7:15AM (Joystiq)Urgh... ignore everything in my post from;
""For movies, the majority (not all, what with the recent drive in 3D and CGI graphics) can still be recorded with the same techniques that have been around for decades.""
onwards.. I need to read a little more carefully - "(not all, what with the recent drive in 3D and CGI graphics)" before I pull the avatar guff out next time :)
USB modchip device claims to enable PS3 game backups [update]
Aug 24th 2010 7:12AM (Joystiq)"But as for the reason the games remain to be a fixed price, in my opinion, is due to the fact that the development costs continuously rise because the systems they develop for keep rising in complexity"
Yes... and profits rise on an equal level so while I see the reasoning behind your argument, I do not agree at all.
Take this for example, quoted from an article on GamePolitics titled, "Best Selling UK Game Ever: Modern Warfare 2" (go look it up)
"Modern Warfare 2 managed to stay in top ten for 38 out of 41 weeks - falling below that threshold last week. It probably didn't hurt the bottom line when the game moved 1.23 million copies on the day of release and brought in around £47 million ($77.85 million) for Activision in the UK; in the U.S. the game grossed around $550 million in its first five days of release."
OK.. so I agree, production costs for Modern Warfare 2 are going to be higher than for say, Wolfenstein 3D to use a retro title as an example. But the profits will be even higher than Wolfensteins profits.
If you seriously think that rising production costs justify game prices staying virtually constant for 20 years with little deviation, when faced with the sales figures of the top tier of games... enjoy your high paid corporate job in EA as I can't imagine any gamer seriously thinking that keeping games at a solid £40 price range for 20 years when all other forms of media have been decreasing prices whilst still suffering increasing productions costs.
"For movies, the majority (not all, what with the recent drive in 3D and CGI graphics) can still be recorded with the same techniques that have been around for decades."
So, Avatar CGI vs.. anything from the early days of CGI is;
A) comparable in terms of quality, and B) on a similar cost basis to produce?
I don't think so.
USB modchip device claims to enable PS3 game backups [update]
Aug 20th 2010 11:02AM (Joystiq)Secondly.. the "piracy is killing gaming" argument is a little skewed.
In the 80's I knew of people who had loads of 90 min cassette tapes lying around loaded with C64/Spectrum games. People would literally tape-to-tape them and share them around. Long term effect on gaming industry? Gaming is still here and stronger than ever.
Do some research on every console release in the last 30 years and see how many of them have been 'victims' of piracy. Done? It's a lot right? Long term effect on gaming industry? Gaming is still here and stronger than ever.
I'm a firm believer in paying for what I use... but let us be honest here, piracy has, and will be around forever. Removing articles on joystiq will change nothing.
..now, while I may be a believer in paying for what I use, let me just also say in response to this comment by unverified;
"If they really want to combat piracy, they should cut the prices of their releases. It helped the movie industry."
This. This a hundred times over. Now, I made the jump from C64 to Megadrive with nothing in between so my memory of pricing may be out of whack here but... I can remember Virtua Racing coming out for the Megadrive and being priced at about £45 here in the UK. I was just in my local Game retailer and saw that even now, 20 years later, game prices (in the UK at least) are still hovering around the £40 mark.
Going back to unverified's comment, I can also remember when a DVD could cost anything up to £20 from say.. HMV. Now, I can pick up recent releases in Tesco for about £6 as long as I don't mind not having the directors cut/special edition or whatever.
Likewise for CD's. Price has consistently dropped over the years.
Gaming however continues to squeeze every penny every step of the way whilst singing the same old piracy tune. or putting out tired sequels every year. Maybe a few times a decade we get a real innovation that changes things, but the next 10 years are spent churning out clones of the innovation till the point where if you see another GTA clone, or sandbox game with more focus on the sandbox and little on the actual game that takes place within it.. well, you get what I'm saying here.
Very little innovation, lots of clones, unwavering resistance to price drops, constantly introducing DRM that hinders gamers more than anyone, ripp-off DLC packs, half baked movie cash-in games, tired sequels... the list goes on.
I love gaming, and I've obviously exaggerated the negative side a little to prove a point here.. which I have now forgotten?
Yeah, buy your games, pirating is a lil dodgy but in the face of the points I mention reasonably understandable, and more importantly has been around the last 25+ years of gaming that I remember yet gaming moves from strength to strength.
Take from that what you will
Bungie: We had to break through Infinity Ward 'noise' for Activision news
Apr 30th 2010 6:46AM (Joystiq)"It's called you are the Booty-call to Activision, they just callin ya up cause of Infinity Ward."
Yeah.. I would guess a multi-million dollar deal like this just happens overnight.
I'm really sure Activsion and Bungie WONT have been talking about this behind closed doors for at least a year. No, no.. what will have happened is, all the IW stuff kicked off and Activision just picked up the phone, called Bungie, said;
"Hey, IW are hitting the bricks, why don't you come over?"
...then Bungie, I'm sure will have replied;
"Sure thing guize! We'll agree a 10 year contract for millions of dollars literally in about 4 days to bail you out of this IW mess!"
/sarcasm
Lets knock on the door and ask for Ronnie Real ehh?
This deal has likely been in the pipelines for AGES. Deals like this do not happen overnight as some form of damage control for crying out loud! How naive do you have to be to think Activision just called Bungie up and the next day entered into a 10 year contract?
...and then assume this is all in direct response to the IW fiasco?
I dislike Activision as much as the next gamer but c'mon!
Review: Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (single player)
Mar 10th 2010 10:44AM (Joystiq)Add an "in my opinion" to that statement and realise why it needs putting there and you are one step towards the path of enlightenment.