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"should have been settled BY THE VERY TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE: "Peter Dille calls DS for kids in Engadget interview"."

And I disagreed with the title at the outset. It's as closed as your mind, anyway.

"Are you saying making sequels, or rehashes of excellent franchises such as Halo, Mario, Metroid, Gran Turismo, Pokemon, Tony Hawk, Kirby, MTS, Sonic, etc. is bad?!"

Absolutely not - that's why I find it amusing when Nintendo fanatics bash the PSP for having nothing but ports. Many of the 'ports' are rehashes or sequels, anyway - like Vice City Stories, except sports games which I couldn't care less about.

"Second, DS games of Nintendo franchises aren't plain mirrors of the original, like the PSP games, take for example Vice City Stories, Tekken, racing games (dozens) and FPS (dozens) on the PSP and compare them to the PS2 version."

If you think Vice City Stories is a 'mirror' of the PC Vice City, you're just as bad (and ignorant) as every other PSP bashing Nintendolt. Mario 64 is far more a 'mirror' of the original than Vice City Stories is.

Are all PSP sequel/rehash titles all-new? No. Are all DS games all-new? No.

"Touch screen is one of the reasons."

No. The touchscreen controls for Mario 64 are horrid - and they don't make that or any other ported/rehashed game any more 'new'. I've been playing PDA games for years - I don't find the touchscreen on the DS innovative or, for most games that use it, fun at all.

"becouse the psp is a fragil pocket-sized ps2"

By your logic, the DS is a "fragil" (sic) quasi-N64 with broken hinges.

"i dont think sony is in any position to comment on nintendo's marketing plan when they are getting outsold, outproduced, and out-marketed."

When quoted by Nintendo fans, this means less than nothing. Pent up jealousy from the N64 and Gamecube days. Your average Ninty freak is as bad as a Mac fanatic or jilted girlfriend.

One thing's for sure, PSP sales probably went up after this aired...

"What on earth did you imagine you were adding to the debate there?"

Just acknowledging your admission of error. You're welcome. :p

"Are you even looking at the words as you type them? How does calling something a "kid machine" not imply it's "just for kids"? It's as if I said it was cold outside, but then turned around and claimed that that didn't mean it was cold AND NOT WARM."

*sigh* "...we're not focused on competing with the DS head to head against the consumer they're going after" - Meaning they're not trying to compete on THAT LEVEL (kid market). He also said "Which is for the most part what they're doing." Which is true, I'd say the DS is positioned more as a kid machine than it is an 18-35/female/nongamer/elderly device.

You're welcome to debate that contention, but nowhere in that interview did he say the DS was limited to or aimed SOLELY at kids. His reference to 'competing with the kid machine' was implying that it, instead of the PSP, was the preferred or main system for that section of the market, and I agree that it is.

That doesn't mean the DS doesn't have lots of cool NON KIDDIE games, mind you. It just means it has more kiddie games than the PSP, which is undeniable.

"last time I checked, grades were about true merit, and not ‘popularity’"

Yup, my sentiments exactly. Grading the systems the way they did it simply stirs up fanboy debate, which obviously works wonders for pumping up post counts and site visits.

Actually, Resident Evil *is* the same original RE game new content added, so it's a port on the DS. Wikipedia lists the game as "An enhanced Nintendo DS port of the original Resident Evil." and "A Nintendo DS port of the original was released in early 2006."

Now, I'd agree that games that, while using old game mechanics, have mostly new content aren't direct ports, like Mario Kart DS, but games like Mario 64 are more port than sequel or rehash, regardless of tacked-on minigames or an extra level.

I'd still agree that the PSP has more 'direct' ports than the DS, though Nintendo fans tend to overstate this, and use it to denegrate the entire library as 'nothing but a bunch of watered down ports' and so forth. Not true, as this year's games has shown.

Games have had video backgrounds for YEARS (remember MACH 3?)... The Xyanide method is likely different from how the GBA/DS games do it, which are in turn different than the other games that have done it through the years.

"Everyone else (mostly pixelator) should see how an actual discussion could get started unlike the usual attacks on each other's statements or selves."

Nice. I'm here refuting the juveniles hating on the PSP (the majority of which have the legibility and coherence of an 8yo) and you go after ME personally, doing exactly what you criticize me of.

Case in point:

"Headset is pretty much the same thing as a built in-mic. dont deny it. point is you need to spend money for voice chat on the PSP. on the DS, you dont."

I never tried to 'deny' that the DS has a built in mic, but it's not quite the same as a headset, which you don't need to lean in to, or worry about ambient noise (or making too much noise) so much as a headset.

"If i drop my DS Lite on the ground or accidently bump it against a wall, the screens wont be damaged because of the clamshell design. Can you say the same for the PSP? i think not."

As you haven't scratched your DS screens, nor have I scratched my PSP display by dropping it three times. I agree the PSP lends itself more to a case - and the DS Phat almost didn't even need one at all, but the Lite needs one as much as the PSP if you intend to preserve the finish (and as you conceded, the stylus display needs one).

"again only speak for yourself. why cant u accept that some gamers arent fine with the battery life of the stock battery? look at IGN's "Hard Charging: PSP Battery Life"

Because real PSP owners have resoundingly said that battery life is GOOD. That IGN article was completely full of shit (3.5 hours? No.) and released at the time of the initial launch of the PSP. I was shaking my head back when I had the original OEM battery - 6-7 hours gameplay on full brightness isn't "crappy" by anyone's standards except PSP haters... To say nothing of the playing of video off memory stick - I've played 2.5 hour vids and still showed 75% battery remaining. And quoting the DS Lite battery times is pointless - I'm not saying it's worse (except with high brightness).

BTW - you keep mentioning the DSL screen is brighted at full. Yes, it is. It's still not as good with color as the PSP, despite ghosting on the latter. In fact, the intensity of the Lite displays is so high than it blows out color gradients on some games (mostly those developed for the Phat) and makes them look like crap.

"4 face buttons are not the same as a dpad or an analog stick. dont deny it."

Not the same. The N64 controller is laid out differently. But the original statement alleged that an FPS with single analog can't work - and it clearly can. The digital d-pad on the N64 controller wasn't analog and didn't serve as an analog input. The PSP 4-way buttons CAN be used in this way, not precisely the same, but they can still assist, and do. Autolock isn't a concept exclusive or new as of the PSP, either. Console FPS games use it, too.

"you'll see two things everywhere: people replacing their analog nubs with DualShock 2 analog sticks"

This is a relatively new thing, so people have been talking about it. It's not like 'people everywhere' are replacing their nubs with DualShock 2 sticks. As usual, you're misrepresenting this to support your contention that PSP controls are awful and nonfunctional.

How about people complaining about the DS Lite diagonals with the d-pad, eh? No system is free of issues like these.
http://ds.ign.com/articles/721/721201p1.html

Gameslave: There are many DS ports, rehashes and sequels. There are many PSP ports, rehashes and sequels. To say one library is somehow inferior to the other because it has more of one of the above not-entirely-new catrgories than the other is pointless. I couldn't care less about the sports games - maybe they're straight ports, maybe not. I don't care to check. But while Super Mario Bros. isn't a direct port of the NES or SNES SMB games, it's definitely not much new under the sun, either. I played a couple of hours into mine before being overwhelmed by an intense sensation of having been there and done that. Not saying it's not a solid entry into that series, but it's not a new game mechanic by any means.

"I may have misspoken when I implied that Peter Dille said that the DS was EXCLUSIVELY a kid-oriented gaming device"

Correct.

"THERE CAN BE NO REASONABLE DOUBT that he portrays the DS as kid-oriented; in his own words, "a kid machine"."

I never said he didn't protray it as MORE kid oriented (which it is), but he doesn't impy it's JUST FOR KIDS.

I'm done with this. You can continue to characterize his statements (and mine) as you want, pepper your 'frustrated' machinations with insults, proclaim Sony's imminent doom, whatever. I don't really care.

As for the comment about the DS being 'more kiddied just because it has more GBA games' - not hardly.

"Most psp hits are PORTS, if psp haves a legion of fanboys, its becouse of the ps2, the psp doesn't deserve such high honors."

And most DS hits are also ports or sequels/rehash titles. Many of its top selling games are nowhere near the top in meta scores, either. Typical PSP hating fanboy anthropomorphizing the PSP in that it "doesn't deserve such high honors" (what does that even MEAN?)...

Ah, the sun sets on another day here at PSP Fanboy, the most active site for Nintendo fanboy basher/haters on the internet.

"A typical response I would hear from a Sony fanboy. I respect Sony as a good company ... but thier consoles undoubtably suck. Graphics don't sell consoles"

Yeah, the PS1 and PS2 really sucked. *chuckle*

"No System which has had better graphics won a console war: The N64 has better graphics than the PS, the GCN than the PS2, the Sega Genisis than SNES, Sega Saturn then NES. They all lost."

The PS1 had better textures and more storage for them than the N64. Its games looked better, on average. The Saturn wasn't even in the same gen as the NES, idiot. The Genesis didn't have better graphics than the SNES when they used tile boundary palettes or Mode 7 effects. So much for THAT theory.

"2.No Much Unique and Exclusive games: Most of these games are just ports of PS2 games."

Most PSP 'ports' are new games or sequels based on or translated from previous games, just like Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Super Mario Bros, Pokemon, Castlevania, Animal Crossing, Sims 2, Resident Evil, Starfox, Bomberman, Final Fantasy, Super Mario 64, etc. etc. etc. on the DS.

Damn, it's NINTENDO TROLL day here at PSP Fanboy.

"The PSP is however in direct competition with the DS Lite, a system that doesnt require you to spend extra money on memory sticks for gaming."

My comparison stands because the PSP is not exceptional in that it requires a memory card (which comes with the value pack). Your fanboyish attempt to paint Sony as thieves by 'forcing' people to buy cards is nullified by the fact that Nintendo has done the very same thing. Not with the DS, but certainly with consoles in the past.

"The DS does have a mic built-in to the system."

I said headset, not mic.

"I dont need to spend extra money on protection since the DS Lite has a clamshell design. Your arguements again dont make any sense."

Sorry, the stylus use (yuck) mandates the use of a screen protector unless you want a scratched screen. PDA users have been aware of this for years. As for the exterior, same thing - you think that glossy finish is going to survive a few trips in a backpack filled with stuff, or a drop to the ground? The DS Lite needs just as much protection as the PSP - it is no less frugal in that sense.

"Speak for yourself. Some gamers do have a problem with the crappy battery life of the stock battery."

The stock battery life isn't crappy, unless you're saying the DS Lite has crappy battery life with the screen on full - because it runs out faster than a PSP. 6-7 hours isn't crappy. You aren't 'required' to purchase an extended life battery. Your attempt to bash fails yet again.

"The N64 had one single analog stick, but that wasnt a problem since you could use both the dpad and analog stick at the same time for FPS games. The dpad was basically a second analog stick."

Nice try, but no. The N64 had single analog in the same way the PSP does. The latter has 4-way buttons on the right that can be (and are) used like a d-pad. Works great in Katamari. Your original statement was 'single analog' was the problem with FPS on the PSP, and obviously single analog systems can enjoy great FPS games, so again your bash falls flat.

"You cant do that with the PSP since both the dpad and analog nub are on the same side. Another stupid arguement."

I'll wait for you to go look at a picture of a PSP and see the 4-way buttons on the right that can be used as a d-pad. OK, back? Good. Single analog can still work well with FPS. You lose again.

"I have left out many other useless arguements of yours because I think i have proven that you lack intelligence and gaming knowledge."

*LOL* Sure, you've totally proven my lack of 'intelligence' by avoiding my 'arguEments'.