RadCap

I had to look up "prestige" in relation to the game. So - NONE.

Wow I want one

I am dying to get my hands on this game!!!!!

I agree completely. Originally I had been interested in getting a used ipod classic cheap on ebay for watching movies / listening to lectures etc. Then with the universal rumors that the new ipod touch would have a camera, combined with the fact that it has wifi and games I could play with others at my place of business etc, I thought that it would be worth the extra dough. I have a blackberry and my plan is tons less than ATT, so I have no interest in the iphone itself. This seemed like it would be a great compromise.

But Apple ruined that by leaving out all the things I was interested in (and willing to pay extra for). So they lost money by following this 'plan'.

Now I will look elsewhere for a non-apple product which is similar (but less cash), or I will go back to the original ebay plan. Either way, they lost not only on the ipod touch sale, but all the apps I had researched and was ready to buy.

Bad business move dudes.

Jedi Mind Tricks - because my friend REALLY needs to stop smoking.

I know of one sure fire way of killing someone - me - by not giving me this swag!!!

please please please!

"His argument doesn't show that the debate is meaningless, it just shows that the debate is really about the definition of "art" and not about games , per se."

Except that even the editorial introduction says his argument shows the debate is meaningless, not to mention the fact that his position is that we shouldn't be "adopting a philosophical or aesthetic strategy" - ie we shouldn't worry about the definition of art at all. (Why? See above.)

Art = Subjective

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Art = nothing (ie no definition/no referents in reality)

This is simply the attempt to eliminate the concept art from rational discussion.

Claiming the debate about whether something is or is not 'art' is meaningless is simply claiming that the term 'art' is meaningless. It is the claim one cannot define a term and thus cannot identify its referents in reality. The individual who makes such a claim removes himself from any conversation about the term and referents because he is claiming there is no such thing. Any ongoing discussion on his part is simply a blatant (and very extended) contradiction.