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@mmmfishtacos That is your opinion on the physics, while I may not agree with what you think. I can't tell you whats right and wrong with that, the Lighting is NOT worlds better though, GT5 has some very VERY bad Track Textures, and car graphics. Why is this? Oh thats right because they couldn't make them all tope of the line. Yet in Forza 4 every single car is a "Premium Car" are you seriously trying to Compare Auto Vista to racing? HAH. All the cars in Forza 4 look miles better than GT5's, the Auto Vista ones which are chosen for HISTORY, and having meaning within the car industry, its not to show off lighting, its to go in depth and learn about the car, it is a factual learning experience about the history of cars.

Here this is an actual photo from Forza 4, players of Forza 4 actually can take photo's this size all the time, and EVERY CAR looks this good.

http://download.xbox.com/content/mgs/forza/en-US/forzamain/blog/mainimage/BMW_M5_Bigshot_on_track.jpg

Yes, that's 3,840 x 2,160.

Read more about Forza 4 and stop lying to yourself.

@spin cycle Read T10 Updates on ForzaMotorsport.net you seem to think they can just add something and it works perfectly. T10 does its best to make a new great game in its work cycle.

Rain & Night? Those would be great, but not if they have to cut visuals like other games do because it's straining on the engine. Thats why Forza 4 won't have them, because to make them look amazing and get them to T10's standards they would have to drop it to 30FPS which is below T10's standards.

Why would I want Off-Road in a Simulator like Forza? They are perfect at what they do, and when I want to race Off-Road, I will go play DiRT 3 (Which I own) or Baja: Edge of Control (Which I also own) they do it great, and it gives me 3 games that all are dedicated to what they wanted to do. Not "Throw it all in and get it the best we can".

There are varying cycles of time in Forza 4, I don't know if you haven't read anything about it. But with longer races the Time of Day, Track Temp & Look of the track will change. They have said that you will have to react differently to the sun possibly blinding you, etc etc.

Besides that. T10 does excellent work and a lot of people don't read what they have to say technology based for the game but what news sites say. Turn 10 is very VERY open about its game and you can see tons of articles on the website for Forza 4 already. My favorite is last weeks which details the physics and system revamp from 3. Which was already amazing.

@bxgt Exactly. I am a fan of both games, but GT5 is just such a lacking game. Their constant strive to be "perfect" ultimately did them in, in my opinion. So I am fine with 60 FPS & Varying Time Cycles, along with Uniquely generated surface temps, 100% accurate tire data from Pirelli, etc etc. If people were to actually read updates from Turn 10 on most of this stuff they do a great job of answering technical questions and are honest even if they don't like to hurt some fans.

You win some, you lose some. Considering when I had GT5 even Forza 3 felt better and looked better 75% of the time (MY OPINION) I can't wait for Forza 4.

@This Little Man Says His Name Is Read my comment again. AGAIN! I never said Bungie didn't. But you cannot deny that with ODST & Reach, they were in it for themselves and just wanted to finish out the 5 game contract. This falls in especially with Reach, with their "We did it for the fans" BS. Yet almost anything the fans wanted they didn't get, and they just messed up the universe by adding a whole section of crap that didn't exist.

If you remember Bungie & Microsoft have previously licensed "Halo" out for books this brought us "The Official Prequel - The Fall of Reach" see that word "Official"? They can't just throw it on anything it has to be approved by them, yet in the end they didn't care they just threw that out the window and ignored all the fans by giving the statement "We don't use the books in our universe" or something along those lines.

Bungie DID care about Halo, when it first started. Watching that Vidoc for the franchise you can tell. Halo 1, 2 & 3 were and are some of my favorite games ever. But we know and Bungie knows that they screwed up when they made Reach.

Thus why I think 343, once again cares about the Halo Franchise & its fans. They are listening to us, this is why there is a new patch with original CE gameplay, they are removing bloom on weapons, bringing back old maps for the people who want them. But at the same time they are applying to the new audience that loves all of that, new playlists and additions to the maps, all while making sure they listen to what we say.

They are doing a lot more with the Halo franchise, that actually helps the universe. I can't wait.

Finally a company that cares about the Halo Franchise again, not only are the putting out books that will tie into the game universe and will actually help the games, they are caring about the fans.

I can't wait to continue this franchise.

Awesome, most people who kept tabs on the first reveal trailer noticed the manufacturer. I can wait for this, but I can't wait for the game.

Gotta love the price though "343,000" credits.

@pradius I agree, everything I watch is Digital it seems like. If it ever came down to it I would rather spend $75 or less on a Blu-Ray player as although the PS3 has one its not its strong point and most people that I have seen do that regret it and say its not worth it at all.

@Tyrantbigbird I would have to agree, I really REALLY enjoyed 09, and I didn't like 2010 that much in fact I bought EA MMA, I found that game to be way better. So hopefully they learned quite a few things, and if not then i'll stick with MMA until MMA 2 lol.

@HammerOfNul Thats a good question since Mythic & Strikeforce were in EA MMA, but then UFC bought SF.

@JTRoN You have been paying attention to what they said for Spec Ops right? Like with the Survival mode and all of that? They realized they made MW2's Spec Ops underwhelming so they added a whole new Matchamaking system, leaderboards, survival mode, level system all of that.

I can't wait for both big titles this season BF3 & MW3 will both be fun.