Excuse me, BG 1 and 2 aren't in the same league?? Is that why they were inducted into the GameSpot and GameBanshee Halls of Fame? Torment was great, but it has virtually no replay value, especially compared to BG. And what engine do you think it uses? The same one as BG and Icewind Dale, my friend.

You're smokin' something to dis Shadows of Ahm like that. I suppose Diablo and Morrowind stink too, despite all the critical praise they've received.

Umm, ChrisL, BioWare co-developed Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 with Black Isle (ever hear of the Infinity Engine?).

And remember that little-known game called Neverwinter Nights (2002 RPG of the year), and Knights of the Old Republic (2003 game of the year)? I too mourned the demise of Black Isle, but they had nothing to do with those last two games. Most of them are now either at BioWare or Obsidian anyway.

Shagi, do you think it's better than BG: Dark Alliance or Champions of Norrath? Just wondering.

I would have to disagree, Homes. Although I thought the butchered ending practically ruined what was an excellent game, I thought the characters were a little deeper this time around, and the influence system added some depth. I hope Obsidian gets another shot at this.

@noire, that's where Cider technology comes in.

@Foetoid, Iron Lore is supposed to be issuing a patch pretty soon, if they haven't already. They said that installing the expansion will also patch the game for better performance. The TQ Vault has downloads and a good forum, so I would go there first.

@Chessasaur, I agree! Atari did this to Obsidian two years ago with KOTOR2, and ruined the ending of an otherwise awesome game. They also did it three years ago to Troika with Temple of Elemental Evil.

D&D and Star Wars RPGs should be put back where they belong -- with BioWare!