Derrick

My 360 was burned by the fall update... not only is microsoft planning obsolecense into their machines... they're forcing updates on users that break their 360s and then charging them for the privlidge of having microsoft possibly fix it (i say possibly because the 'fixed' machine in many cases is just as broken as the one sent in... and you're only $140 poorer for the experience).

at least nintendo was up front about issues with the wii updates when they were causing issues... microsoft refuses to admit to any issues with their updates.

gracias MS

FYI -

my 360 is sitting in an open air av shelf... there are no ventilation issues with my setup. and my freezing issues started immediatly after the fall update was downloaded.

those 1995 post are only a representative sample of the users experincing the problem... only a small percentage or 360 users are posting on microsoft's forums.

and you are quite the classy guy BIGGEN. you feel cool now???

and btw, what exactly am i lying about???

- my 360 IS freezing
- it did not freeze before the fall update
- no other changes were made to my setup that would cause such an issue
- and many others have had the same experience i have had which has led me to conclude that this is more than a coincidence

which of these statement's is a lie??? you wanna apologize?

Matt,

Are you saying that microsoft is only capable of having one issue with an update at a time???

They fixed an issue with the update not being able to be installed on 360's (an installer issue), this lawsuit is regarding an issue with the actual update itself.

AS of 1:30 EST there were 1995 post in this thread created about a week after the fall update was created...

http://forums.xbox.com/67/7864073/ShowPost.aspx#7864073

hardly "a handful"... and that is only one of many threads in the MS forums on the topic...

by calling him a liar you are also calling me a liar, as I have also had issues with the fall update... and my 360 ran perfect before the update (since februrary).

@Captain Obvious,

That's fine... But shouldn't microsoft be held responsible for testing these updates such that they don't break the machines that they are updating?

If you took your car to have the oil changed and they forgot to close the oil release valve, shouldn't the company that changed your oil be held responsible for damaging your car?

I updated my console (changed the oil) and my 360 has been freezing non-stop since said update (car's been broken), shouldn't microsoft be held responsible for breaking my 360 (shouldn't the autoshop be held responsible for damaging my car)? i was just following the maintenance schedule, per se.

BIGGEN,

If you go onto Microsoft's forums you will see that this issue is not an instantaneous killer. Generally users experience freezing at random points in their games, becmoing more and more frequent until the red lights of death appear... don't call redrumm a liar (which is what you are implying) without doing a little more investigation on the subject.

Microsoft has forced this update for users to continue using services that they have paid for. If you want to use the Xbox Live service that you have paid for you are required to install this update. If this update then causes 360's to crash that weren't crashing before the update (a) microsoft should admint fault (which they have yet to do), and should either (b) allow users to rollback to a stable version of the firmware that does not disable their 360's or repair the console's that their update destroyed free of charge... This is not a case of hardware just malfunctioning, this is a case of software being forced on users then forcing those customers to pay to repair the damage that microsoft has inflicted.

Had microsoft claimed responsibilty for these issues and help users affected by these issues then they would not be getting sued. neglecting their customers have led to this lawsuit, not greed, as some have suggested.

the dashboard on original xbox only went up to 480i... there were a few games on xbox1 that went up to 1080i... Dragon's Lair was one of the ones that I can remember.

see graphics portion of this review for proof:
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/378/378116p2.html

ps - game sucked

At least Nintendo is fessing up to the issue that this update caused... Microsoft's Fall Update has been causing issues for many users (see this forum http://forums.xbox.com/7864073/ShowPost.aspx) and they refuse to even acknowledge that the update caused these issues... Now I won't even turn on my 360 until they post some sort of resolution...

I will be playing nothing on my 360 due to it freezing all of the time... and I'm not the only one... check out how popular this forum has been on microsoft's forum site.

maybe i'll be able to get my hands on a wii.