Bill

This is truly an epic smackdown. However, I feel the need to make a point here: If you are coming to Engadget Mobile for high-quality journalism and unbiased reviews, you're bound for a lifetime of disappointment.

Why not respond to the wi-fi claim? Seems like a worthy topic of discussion... unless of course you just wanted to bash AT&T in a one-sided snark attack, and weren't actually willing to do any research beyond "my friend told me his internet is slow, too."

"and we're having a hard time arguing with personal experience."

If you consider yourself a journalist, this is part of the job description. Yes, even in an editorial.

"We also had lower churn -- a sign that customers are quite happy with the service they receive."

No ... no it does not.

Still, $5 over 24 months is $120. That makes the CLIQ $80 compared to the $200 Droid.

This is pretty basic math people: more money is more money, whether you pay it on the front or over the life of the contract. Verizon isn't cutting you a deal because they care about you, it's because you are dim enough to think that $5 a month over 2 years isn't much money. They are in it for the signature on the contract, while you are in it for the shiny new toy. Advantage Verizon.

All that said, T-Mobile needs to knock it off with the toy phones and get some kick ass hardware. coughN900cough

This is supposed to be a game changer, and they can't even match the grandfathered plan that I have. 2 lines, 1000 minutes, 400 texts each, $60. I'd have to lose my phone subsidies, drop 250 minutes AND pay an extra $10 and the only benefit would be unlimited texts, which I don't need.

Not sure if the key entry is lagging or if it's just a classic case of out-of-sync audio on a Youtube vid.

"Learn to: Make [and] receive ... calls on your Palm Pre" ???

Step 1: Place phone back into box.
Step 2: Return to store.
Step 3: Admit to clerk you are too stupid to own such a powerful piece of hardware, and ask to see the old people phones, with the 3 big buttons.

Because, like most bloggers, he's overstocked with reactionary opinions and fresh out of facts and reasoned analysis. These people are getting $100+ for what for most should be considered a minor inconvenience. Get a G1 for $29 with your gift card and never worry about it again.

I like the part where you judge the touchscreen without ever having used it.

It does support T-Mobile's 3G band. There is only one other phone (Pharos Traveler 137) released with those bands that WASN'T subsidized by T-Mobile (and even that had some under-the-table subsidies), so it's likely that it'll end up on T-Mobile. I've heard various rumors that it will be in the early months of 2010, but obviously T-Mobile is pushing the CLiQ and Nokia is trying to sell them unlocked, so neither is willing to answer the question. The real question is whether or not T-Mobile is going to cripple this thing. I can see 32GB of internal memory down to 8 or 16. I mean, T-Mobile thinks the TouchPro2 is worth $350, what in the hell are they going to charge for THIS?!? Add in the mandatory data plan ($600) and you might just be better off buying unlocked and getting whatever data plan suits your needs.