Sam

Put a sock in it Shagittarius.

Jack, you say some other guy's post was the dumbest ever, then you say "Wii is for casual gamers that don't have the skills nessecary to play Halo, MGS, Gears, Resistance". That's just bullshit and you know it.

"(Of course most people have realised by now that the controls have very little to do with immersion; it's more down to classy visuals and stunning audio; ICO on PS2 being a prime example)"

By your own definition you've named Zelda: Twilight Princess an immersive title. And the controls in that case most definitely do add to the gameplay experience; it's brilliantly immersive, in fact.

To be honest, in the beginning I found little use for my DS. If I remember rightly, the launch line up was poor. Now look at it, and the great games being released for it. Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Final Fantasy, Elite Beat Agents...and this isn't even counting Nintendo's own titles. It's an extremely popular machine.

I realise the home console market and the handheld market are completely different, but I don't like people like Optimus Prime condemning a console barely a month after its release. Is it so far beyond people to look at the success of the DS and keep an open mind about the Wii?