I don't remember this big shift, but I do remember loving Xenogears. One of my absolute favorite RPGs. Never got into many on the Playstation after FF7.
I tried SO HARD to like Xenosaga after loving Xenogears so much but I just couldn't do it. That was a quiet dull DULL game.
@miniboss: What's interesting is how QUICKLY he went after the readers. There were only a small handfull of posts, when he first brought out the 'NDF' card. This whole thing reaks of flamebait.
The whole thing is silly. Attacking a news site for posting a news item is pretty indefensible... though he has tried with some nonsense about context.
I still fail to see the difference between covering this and covering your typical booksigning... but what can you do. I'm sure that my defense of your basic news reporting blog will get chaulked up to Nintendo fanboyism.
A good writer doesn't have to repeatedly defend his work with little to no backup. A good writer doesn't have to repeatedly provide update after update to 'clarify' his work after it has been published ("I just don't get how nobody ever understands what I'm trying to say the first time around!") A good writer doesn't get called a member of a 'Retard Rodeo" by one of the most well respected writers in the gaming community.
Oh, and Joystiq sure has some brass ones commenting on the newsworthyness of ANYTHING after that little disaster a few weeks ago about important Wii news.
What context, exactly, did they need to provide? It's a news story. You state what and where. I'd bet you that a fantasy fiction blog would report if J.K. Rowling is hosting a book signing in New York for the launch of the next Harry Potter book. Authors do this all the time! Do we need to provide background behind the act of booksignings just to make sure that folks don't mistake it for something new?
Are you looking for them to attack the PR stunt as old hat? That's not the job of someone who REPORTS what is happening. That is best saved for those writing editorials. You do not provide judgement on what is happening, you only judge the quality of the news itself to determine how much presentation it gets.
What, Vlad, would have made you happy? It sounds to me that nothing short of leaving this out of the news, or stating explicitly "This has been done before by X, Y, and Z" would satisfy you, which is just plain silly. "Big Corporate Exec meets the Little Guy" is as old as the hills. You'd be better off asking news papers to start rubber stamping their articles with a big red "WARNING: CLICHE" mark.
Soon we'll see vc going on about how little context is provided when he sees a story about Athlete X escaping poor neighborhoods and forsaking gang violence for his love of the game ("This has happened before! Not News! They need to provide a list of all other athletes to make their way out of Compton!"), or that Actor B is coming to town to host an event for his favorite charity ("I need a cross referenced database of all actors and the events they've held for charity before I can take this seriously")
Of course it's a PR stunt, which, by the very nature of being a PR stunt will gather press. It will always make the news when a highly paid top brass exec takes a position behind the register (or wherever) and meets the masses. It becomes more than just a chance to buy an item, it becomes a chance to meet a (pseudo)celebrity.
Can you please show me, ANYWHERE, where anybody states that this was creative, new, or original? I don't see the writers you attack stating that it was a new idea either. They are just reporting a story. Why is it a big story? Because Reggie is a big personality in video games... now gamergeek can meet this otherwise unapproachable person.
Things don't have to be new or creative to be exciting or news worthy. They just have to carry interest.
Let's carry this to an extreme: If a major politician, a presidential candidate came to your town, hosting a little meet-n-greet/kiss the babys sort of thing do you think it would make the news? Its as overdone as anything can be, they've been doing it for literally hundreds of years. Yet I distinctly remember George Bush's 'Whistle Stop Tour' of California being a big deal with a huge turnout.
Am I saying Reggie is as big a personality as the president? Of course not, but he IS interesting to more than a few folks out there, which makes him newsworthy.
Vlad, (and other Joystiq editors) have you noticed how many times you have to update your posts to clarify your 'true' meaning? Do you realize that you are attempting to attack something as a non-story... with your OWN story? I am really getting tired of these half assed, poorly conceived editorials coming from Joystiq. I really am starting to think that it's just a way to push action on the site, and I usually don't bite on such conspiracy theories.
But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about subsidy and consumers picking the best VALUE and not the best Price.
It was about one console selling for X, but is worth Y where Y < X. You get Y value in hardware, but you paid X for it. You lose X-Y in value.
Then there's another console that sells for A, where A >> X, but is valued at B where B > A. YOu gain B-A in value, BUT A is so much higher than X that the comparisons between A and X are invalid.
Also you DID say that it tends to show lack of faith by Nintendo in their console. If they aren't willing to take a loss on it they aren't showing faith in the platform.... and that, for lack of any better word, was just flat out stupid. It's a different business strategy, and less risky to be sure, but has nothing to do with the faith in their console.
This is a nice attempt to backtrack, but look at your first article and tell me you aren't trying to make a comparison not between prices, but between the nebulous concept of 'Value'.
Once you accept that, consider this example: if you offered me a 10 million dollar yacht at half price, losing 5 million yourself, or a 50 dollar inflatable worth 30 bucks making 20 yourself, I'd (and most consumers) would be forced to choose the cheaper boat simply because they don't have the 5 large.
Your simple price comparison here ONLY holds true when you are talking about selling EXACTLY the same item.
Is it really cheaper than the other next gen systems? Sure if you look at it on its face... $250 < $300
but I have 2 main problems with that.
1. A $50 difference between what the Wii delivers vs an Xbox is tough to justify looking at them. I was willing to accept the Wii as a 'non-next gen' processing system, provided it carried with it a 'non-next gen' price. $50 is too close for comfort
2. Those controllers add up fast. No 'classic' controller is a problem. You will need it as stated earlier for games like Smash Bros. Tag an extra $20.
If you want to outfit your wii for 2 people, you're looking at buying 2 classic controllers, a nunchuck, and a wiimote, bringing you to a grand total of $350... which, oddly enough, is exactly what a barebones Xbox 360 runs with a second controller. Is wii sports worth the difference? I don't think so. In fact I'm kind of upset they're forcing it on the American audience. I'd be MUCH happier with the $215 price point Japan gets without the title.
In defense of Xenogears
Jan 6th 2012 7:32PM (Joystiq)I tried SO HARD to like Xenosaga after loving Xenogears so much but I just couldn't do it. That was a quiet dull DULL game.
Ensemble's Bruce Shelley working on The Settlers 7
Jan 31st 2010 3:19PM (Joystiq)Reggie horns in on Kaz and Bill's act [update 1]
Sep 29th 2006 5:07PM (Joystiq)The whole thing is silly. Attacking a news site for posting a news item is pretty indefensible... though he has tried with some nonsense about context.
I still fail to see the difference between covering this and covering your typical booksigning... but what can you do. I'm sure that my defense of your basic news reporting blog will get chaulked up to Nintendo fanboyism.
Reggie horns in on Kaz and Bill's act [update 1]
Sep 29th 2006 4:04PM (Joystiq)Oh, and Joystiq sure has some brass ones commenting on the newsworthyness of ANYTHING after that little disaster a few weeks ago about important Wii news.
Reggie horns in on Kaz and Bill's act [update 1]
Sep 29th 2006 3:47PM (Joystiq)Are you looking for them to attack the PR stunt as old hat? That's not the job of someone who REPORTS what is happening. That is best saved for those writing editorials. You do not provide judgement on what is happening, you only judge the quality of the news itself to determine how much presentation it gets.
What, Vlad, would have made you happy? It sounds to me that nothing short of leaving this out of the news, or stating explicitly "This has been done before by X, Y, and Z" would satisfy you, which is just plain silly. "Big Corporate Exec meets the Little Guy" is as old as the hills. You'd be better off asking news papers to start rubber stamping their articles with a big red "WARNING: CLICHE" mark.
Soon we'll see vc going on about how little context is provided when he sees a story about Athlete X escaping poor neighborhoods and forsaking gang violence for his love of the game ("This has happened before! Not News! They need to provide a list of all other athletes to make their way out of Compton!"), or that Actor B is coming to town to host an event for his favorite charity ("I need a cross referenced database of all actors and the events they've held for charity before I can take this seriously")
What were you looking for?
Reggie horns in on Kaz and Bill's act [update 1]
Sep 29th 2006 3:07PM (Joystiq)Of course it's a PR stunt, which, by the very nature of being a PR stunt will gather press. It will always make the news when a highly paid top brass exec takes a position behind the register (or wherever) and meets the masses. It becomes more than just a chance to buy an item, it becomes a chance to meet a (pseudo)celebrity.
Can you please show me, ANYWHERE, where anybody states that this was creative, new, or original? I don't see the writers you attack stating that it was a new idea either. They are just reporting a story. Why is it a big story? Because Reggie is a big personality in video games... now gamergeek can meet this otherwise unapproachable person.
Things don't have to be new or creative to be exciting or news worthy. They just have to carry interest.
Let's carry this to an extreme: If a major politician, a presidential candidate came to your town, hosting a little meet-n-greet/kiss the babys sort of thing do you think it would make the news? Its as overdone as anything can be, they've been doing it for literally hundreds of years. Yet I distinctly remember George Bush's 'Whistle Stop Tour' of California being a big deal with a huge turnout.
Am I saying Reggie is as big a personality as the president? Of course not, but he IS interesting to more than a few folks out there, which makes him newsworthy.
Vlad, (and other Joystiq editors) have you noticed how many times you have to update your posts to clarify your 'true' meaning? Do you realize that you are attempting to attack something as a non-story... with your OWN story? I am really getting tired of these half assed, poorly conceived editorials coming from Joystiq. I really am starting to think that it's just a way to push action on the site, and I usually don't bite on such conspiracy theories.
Engadget's relaunch giveaways: Xbox 360 Premium pack
Sep 25th 2006 8:00AM (Engadget)Engadget's relaunch giveaways: let's start with a Zune
Sep 19th 2006 5:16PM (Engadget)Penny Arcade responds to our "hideous editorial," misses the point [update 1]
Sep 15th 2006 9:54AM (Joystiq)It was about one console selling for X, but is worth Y where Y < X. You get Y value in hardware, but you paid X for it. You lose X-Y in value.
Then there's another console that sells for A, where A >> X, but is valued at B where B > A. YOu gain B-A in value, BUT A is so much higher than X that the comparisons between A and X are invalid.
Also you DID say that it tends to show lack of faith by Nintendo in their console. If they aren't willing to take a loss on it they aren't showing faith in the platform.... and that, for lack of any better word, was just flat out stupid. It's a different business strategy, and less risky to be sure, but has nothing to do with the faith in their console.
This is a nice attempt to backtrack, but look at your first article and tell me you aren't trying to make a comparison not between prices, but between the nebulous concept of 'Value'.
Once you accept that, consider this example: if you offered me a 10 million dollar yacht at half price, losing 5 million yourself, or a 50 dollar inflatable worth 30 bucks making 20 yourself, I'd (and most consumers) would be forced to choose the cheaper boat simply because they don't have the 5 large.
Your simple price comparison here ONLY holds true when you are talking about selling EXACTLY the same item.
Critiquing Nintendo's Wii launch details
Sep 14th 2006 3:04PM (Joystiq)but I have 2 main problems with that.
1. A $50 difference between what the Wii delivers vs an Xbox is tough to justify looking at them. I was willing to accept the Wii as a 'non-next gen' processing system, provided it carried with it a 'non-next gen' price. $50 is too close for comfort
2. Those controllers add up fast. No 'classic' controller is a problem. You will need it as stated earlier for games like Smash Bros. Tag an extra $20.
If you want to outfit your wii for 2 people, you're looking at buying 2 classic controllers, a nunchuck, and a wiimote, bringing you to a grand total of $350... which, oddly enough, is exactly what a barebones Xbox 360 runs with a second controller. Is wii sports worth the difference? I don't think so. In fact I'm kind of upset they're forcing it on the American audience. I'd be MUCH happier with the $215 price point Japan gets without the title.