Johnny Neat

I'm sure some like the challenge map stuff and getting ripped off, but let me play with these characters (Nightwing and Robin) in the game's real world at a lower standard cost. Or better yet, as unlockables. Tired of the nickel and dimeing devs have and seem to believe is right to do.

@R Planteer I miss those days. Now we are expected to pay to promote games and or financially support the continued playing of a game through DLC. These days are so sad.

@Kougeru Preach on brother, preach on.

@Kentuckian Why not just hold the reorder and rent day one to make up your mind? I, along with my pals are, giving DICE the benefit of the doubt on old code/ new code for myself. If it fails preorder and rental are returned without a suffering.

From a PR perspective this BETA was a mess by the fact that it wasn't as clearly understood by the by the majority of ignorant gamers who do not read, let alone gaming sites and from a legal perspective since it was obvious they needed to do something because it was promised to consumers through Medal of Honor purchases.

Now with all that said, all they could test in my opinion was how people play (especially exploits) and testing the network. Other than those things, this supposedly old code couldn't test much of anything as it's an old code. Why waste time on an old code, to test problems already fixed? I doubt it if that's the truth. No they had to at the very least jump a legal hurdle and by proxy test code?

I have doubts as most of my friends who's I've tried selling this game to over Call of Duty's same old same old cocky bullshit of a game and philosophy. Now I'm not saying we won't get MW3, because that would be a lie, but I had hoped to convince them to try a more mature and challenging first person shooter. Sadly this was made even harder by this beta and our experiences with the let down that was Medal of Honor and without any connection past same genre, Homefront.

I think most if not all of the people I know are going to rent Battlefield 3 day one before making a final choice on this matter. I know I'm keeping my preorder, but I'm still going to rent day one to see if I keep it or return it and see how it goes down the road with patches and updates if I feel that's even a consideration or a necessity.

Fingers until then are crossed hoping for the ultimate best results.

P.s. Despite this article or write up whatever, I and too many of us hope hardcore is hardcore in BF3. Pumping a clip into an enemy player isn't fun and anyone who says it is isn't looking for realism and or immersion but a second chance to compensate for slow reaction speeds from the down syndrome they are living through or the puff puff high they do on a regular. Just saying.

Could be better than that lame Star Wars Kinect game, but it's still a big maybe.

Sad shame, because Pure and Split/Second got me to dig racing games again. Anyhow Disney just wants cost effective generic games that live solely on their well known characters and not good game play or development.

I have nothing against him personally but I hope Homefront was a fluke. It's bad enough Ubisoft allowed FarCry2 to be released as it was. I can't get over that one or for this matter Homefront.

All I want to hear is campaign co-op. That is all.

They always talk about, we've learned this and from that, but continue to pump out the same shit running the same freaking gamebook.

Enough is enough, I'm glad it all got leaked. Fire in the hole bitches, get your game right and start treating gamers with a little more interest past our money.

Now my main complaint is on how little CoD changes. I don't need a strange departure from sequel to sequel, but come on this copy pasting of code with a new visuals has been going on for a bit too long is just wrong.

I'm annoyed as well with the absence of any beta being offered, especially after how totally unbalanced and glitchy MW2 was. We know why it was, but that doesn't make it better for all of us who bought then suffered through it all.

And look, I want to know more on Multiplayer, not a 4-5 hour campaign. Leave that a secret, give us the nitty gritty already. Sheesh.

Battlefield has the upper hand and they know it, so why the repeat performance from the last outing which they claim they need to improve from?