[Update 10:25PM: The PS3-promoting message on the Amazon site has been changed to the more neutral "Experience Grand Theft Auto IV on the PS3." This matches the Xbox 360-promoting message almost exactly.]
[Update 7:36PM: Amazon PR Manager Tammy Hovey confirmed to Joystiq that the Sony wording was in fact "a campaign paid for by Sony" and that Microsoft will be "doing something similar next week." Stay tuned ...]
Video game retailers don't often take explicit sides in the console wars, and why should they? A retailer makes largely the same money selling a copy of a PS3 game as selling the same game on the Xbox 360. So it struck us as a little odd that Amazon is currently promoting the questionable proposition that Grand Theft Auto IV is "meant to be played on the PS3" on the front page of its Video Games section.
To be fair, the page does seem to randomly toggle between the PS3 message and an entreaty to "Experience Grand Theft Auto on Xbox 360" with reloads. But this still leaves the question as to why Sony's system is the one that the game is "meant to be played on." Is this an effort by Amazon to boost sales of the PS3 version of the game? A promotional consideration purchased by Sony? The work of an overzealous Amazon database jockey? We're not sure, but we'll let you know if and when we find out. [See update above for the answer.]
Regardless of why Amazon printed the quote, the question remains: Is it true? While Rockstar's Dan Houser did say last year that the Xbox 360 was creating "limitations" for the game, Rockstar's Jeronimo Barrera said the PS3 was a "contributing factor" in the game's delay. Regardless, most Joystiq readers say they'll be taking advantage of the Xbox 360 version 's Achievements and Xbox Live integration next week ... despite what Amazon says is "meant" to be.
Reader Comments (243)
Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 11:14PM (Unverified) said
You know what Fernando. No hard feelings, ok bud? Right now we can agree to disagree. Will let time decide.
Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 11:21PM (Unverified) said
"Regardless, most Joystiq readers say they'll be taking advantage of the Xbox 360 version 's Achievements and Xbox Live integration next week ... despite what Amazon says is "meant" to be."
Someone got offended now, didn't they?
Someone got offended now, didn't they?
Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 11:34PM (Unverified) said
Sony, MS and Nintendo all pay retailers. Especially Gamestop. Sony literally "owns" a certain percentage of wall space in every gamestop you set foot in.
Posted: Apr 22nd 2008 11:51PM BoilerMaker11 said
HOW DARE SONY TRY ANY FORM OF MARKETING FOR ONE OF THE BIGGEST RELEASES OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!
Amazon saying that GTAIV is "meant to be played on the PS3" is no worse than a GTA commercial coming on, and then only showing an Xbox 360 symbol after it, making it seem like it's exclusive, which will make consumers think that it's only on one platform. Actually, by comparison, this method by Amazon is closer to the neutral side than commercials making it look like it's 360 only. Yes, because saying that it's "meant to be played on the PS3" still lets people know that there are other options out there, just that the PS3 version is the one to choose (that's marketing for you)
Amazon saying that GTAIV is "meant to be played on the PS3" is no worse than a GTA commercial coming on, and then only showing an Xbox 360 symbol after it, making it seem like it's exclusive, which will make consumers think that it's only on one platform. Actually, by comparison, this method by Amazon is closer to the neutral side than commercials making it look like it's 360 only. Yes, because saying that it's "meant to be played on the PS3" still lets people know that there are other options out there, just that the PS3 version is the one to choose (that's marketing for you)
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 3:45AM (Unverified) said
Yea you see there's marketing and there are lies.
It's evident that the PS3 version now isn't "the" system to play GTA on and by Amazon saying that are misleading customers. It's not a very good business practice. They could try something realistic like "a PS3 won't RRoD on you!", which is a valid positive comment for the game.
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It's evident that the PS3 version now isn't "the" system to play GTA on and by Amazon saying that are misleading customers. It's not a very good business practice. They could try something realistic like "a PS3 won't RRoD on you!", which is a valid positive comment for the game.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 12:03AM RKN said
God damn, your a fucking idiot PremierAsshole. Sony had a lawsuit issue with Immersion and so was forced to scrap the rumble tech but eventually got to settling their issues and put it back, so we're naturally happy to see it back.
Of course the PS3 execs would say its last-gen, representatives try to spin any negative into a positive light, Microsoft and Nintendo execs alike.
Its fucking idiots like you who think when Sony says the PS3 has a 10 year life cycle that it will be their only console for 10 years, when they mean they will support it for 10 years, unlike Microsoft who threw away the original Xbox at the 360s launch like an aborted fetus.
But your a stubborn little bitch so I guess typing this post was useless.
I don't care if a moron like you hates the PS3, I just don't want to see your drunken ramblings on every fucking PS3 related post here.
Of course the PS3 execs would say its last-gen, representatives try to spin any negative into a positive light, Microsoft and Nintendo execs alike.
Its fucking idiots like you who think when Sony says the PS3 has a 10 year life cycle that it will be their only console for 10 years, when they mean they will support it for 10 years, unlike Microsoft who threw away the original Xbox at the 360s launch like an aborted fetus.
But your a stubborn little bitch so I guess typing this post was useless.
I don't care if a moron like you hates the PS3, I just don't want to see your drunken ramblings on every fucking PS3 related post here.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 12:18AM (Unverified) said
Well I'll be honest. I'm going to feel extremely weird playing GTA on my Xbox 360. My brain tells me it is a PlayStation game. However, I won't get it for PS3 on the off-chance that I might want the DLC at some point in the future.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 12:16AM Freddie Mercury said
@ Zeus.:God
"I'm still on my ORIGINAL LAUNCH CONSOLE, MANUFACTURED ON OCTOBER TWELFTH, 2005. I have played thousands of hours of Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza 2, Test Drive Unlimited, Bioshock, among many other games. I have NEVER gotten the RRoD."
Not trying to be a jerk, but my friend was saying the same thing about his 360 back in November and the week before Rock Band came out he got the RROD. He was pissed as hell. Like I said not trying to be a jerk, just warning you so you don't jinx yourself the week before GTAIV comes out.
"I'm still on my ORIGINAL LAUNCH CONSOLE, MANUFACTURED ON OCTOBER TWELFTH, 2005. I have played thousands of hours of Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza 2, Test Drive Unlimited, Bioshock, among many other games. I have NEVER gotten the RRoD."
Not trying to be a jerk, but my friend was saying the same thing about his 360 back in November and the week before Rock Band came out he got the RROD. He was pissed as hell. Like I said not trying to be a jerk, just warning you so you don't jinx yourself the week before GTAIV comes out.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 1:42AM (Unverified) said
The funny thing is that zeus is such a blind zealot, he would never admit that his console red ringed.
Probably happened to him at least twice already...
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Probably happened to him at least twice already...
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:23AM (Unverified) said
Actually, El Serpiente, I have taken care of my console, and never, EVER had the RRoD, and with the way things are going, never will have the RRoD. Speaking of zealots, take a look in the mirror. Its funny that you try to pass me off as a fanboy even though you're taking shots at the 360 every chance you get. Not only that, but you're a troll, trying to get a reaction out of me and anyone else you have a target on.
No matter what YOU think, even with the ridiculously high projected failure rate of 33% made by an EB Games manager (shows the credibility of that statement), odds are my 360 has and will be fine.
Go back to PS3 fanboy, because your blind statements aren't welcome here.
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No matter what YOU think, even with the ridiculously high projected failure rate of 33% made by an EB Games manager (shows the credibility of that statement), odds are my 360 has and will be fine.
Go back to PS3 fanboy, because your blind statements aren't welcome here.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:59PM (Unverified) said
On second though, sounds like the poor guy has had at least 3.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 4:13PM Freddie Mercury said
@el serpiente
shut the hell up! You make everyone with a PS3 look bad
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shut the hell up! You make everyone with a PS3 look bad
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 4:15PM Freddie Mercury said
@el serpiente
shut the hell up! You make everyone with a PS3 look bad
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shut the hell up! You make everyone with a PS3 look bad
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 4:27PM Freddie Mercury said
no, jackasses like you just make me express my hate of ignorant fan boys twice as much
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 5:37PM (Unverified) said
Yeah, Serpiente, I've had 3 red rings of death.
/sarcasm
Grow up.
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/sarcasm
Grow up.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 12:17AM SoCoolCurt said
wow Orland. offended much? from that post, i would almost think you didnt like the PS3.....oh wait.....
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 1:53AM (Unverified) said
Dude, the default avatar is a mario head. What does that tell you?
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:16AM (Unverified) said
That Mario is the best known video game character of all time?
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:43PM (Unverified) said
I disagree. The chef from Burgertime is the best known video game character of all time. Idiot.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 5:38PM (Unverified) said
Honestly, I hope you aren't this much of a dumbass in real life.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 12:47AM SharpShooter said
@Fernando Rocker
Honesty question, do you have a life? What I mean is do you even go to school or have a job (trolling on Joystiq doesn't count)? Do you even sleep? I checked your posts and you seem to post once or twice every hour of the day. In the last 2 days, you posted at least once every hour except for 2 3 hour breaks.
Honesty question, do you have a life? What I mean is do you even go to school or have a job (trolling on Joystiq doesn't count)? Do you even sleep? I checked your posts and you seem to post once or twice every hour of the day. In the last 2 days, you posted at least once every hour except for 2 3 hour breaks.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 11:32AM (Unverified) said
By fortune, I have a good home business with two workers... so I have a lot of free time.
I also have my iPod Touch, so when I go out, I can cgeck the internet via WiFi.
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I also have my iPod Touch, so when I go out, I can cgeck the internet via WiFi.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:29AM (Unverified) said
The trolling never ends, does it El Serpiente? Trying to insult people at every turn. Does respect mean nothing to you?
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:30AM mundox said
Stealing nvidia's motto now are we... tsk tsk tsk
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 3:10AM (Unverified) said
"Meant to be played on the PS3"? Why are they lying like that?
They both have the same game, only one can be expanded upon. That kinda tells me the one which is expandable is the better game.
They both have the same game, only one can be expanded upon. That kinda tells me the one which is expandable is the better game.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 5:40AM (Unverified) said
"Tranando said...
PS3 has it's own DLC coming, and it's not just home integration, it's proper DLC apparently.
Either way, PS3 is the way to go, better framrates, more realtic (less cartoony) graphics, more populated enviroments, and multi-player splitscreen."
I just had to copy and paste that. I'm glad I don't have a PS3 anymore because this kind of crappy, fanboy-infused comment just annoys the hell out of me.
Let's just remember; GTA IV was developed on the Xbox 360 platform so visually, both versions will be identical.
PS3 has it's own DLC coming, and it's not just home integration, it's proper DLC apparently.
Either way, PS3 is the way to go, better framrates, more realtic (less cartoony) graphics, more populated enviroments, and multi-player splitscreen."
I just had to copy and paste that. I'm glad I don't have a PS3 anymore because this kind of crappy, fanboy-infused comment just annoys the hell out of me.
Let's just remember; GTA IV was developed on the Xbox 360 platform so visually, both versions will be identical.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:01AM RKN said
I'm hearing that usually when multiplat games are developed first on the 360, the game suffers on the conversion to the PS3 but if done vice versa, both systems benefit since the PS3 is harder to program than the 360.
It was the same for the PS2, being hard to program and the PS3 having a relatively low install base doesn't help for developers. But the PS2 soon got an enormous install base and developers just could not ignore it.
They see the PS3 usually as an afterthough in cross-platform games and I can't blame them really.
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It was the same for the PS2, being hard to program and the PS3 having a relatively low install base doesn't help for developers. But the PS2 soon got an enormous install base and developers just could not ignore it.
They see the PS3 usually as an afterthough in cross-platform games and I can't blame them really.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:04AM The Fuzz 53 said
It's official. I hate Sony as much as the dirt bag democrats that ruin New Jersey.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 11:08AM (Unverified) said
since RROD is raised again......here we
33% is what we originally thought. But after some recent figures, its "only" 16%, a lot less. hmm 16% is sure an acceptable amount of console fuckage.
Whilst your Wii and ps3 are stored on your glass shelf horizontally under your TV, like any other electronics.
owning a 360 suddenly becomes exceptional and would probably be unnacceptable to store in a confined space horizontally(as 360 fans state, not taking care).
ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HAVE TO FUCKING MAKE SURE OUT ELECTRONICS HAVE ENOUGH BREATHING COOL AIR. what the hell is it with all these jolly happy 360 people who is happy their console gets fucked. i guess i should have spoken friendly to the DELL indian support line instead of moaning. thats the norm!
33% is what we originally thought. But after some recent figures, its "only" 16%, a lot less. hmm 16% is sure an acceptable amount of console fuckage.
Whilst your Wii and ps3 are stored on your glass shelf horizontally under your TV, like any other electronics.
owning a 360 suddenly becomes exceptional and would probably be unnacceptable to store in a confined space horizontally(as 360 fans state, not taking care).
ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HAVE TO FUCKING MAKE SURE OUT ELECTRONICS HAVE ENOUGH BREATHING COOL AIR. what the hell is it with all these jolly happy 360 people who is happy their console gets fucked. i guess i should have spoken friendly to the DELL indian support line instead of moaning. thats the norm!
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 1:39PM (Unverified) said
How is this so fucking hard to understand? Microsoft paid 50 MILLION DOLLARS for additional content. Sony paid ZERO DOLLARS. Ergo, PS3 owners WON'T be seeing the additional content. The level of denial here is stunning to say the least.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 5:44PM (Unverified) said
ACTUALLY, they paid for EXCLUSIVE content, not ADDITIONAL content. Xbox 360 will be getting EXCLUSIVE content, but downloadable content is going to be available for both systems, its just the 360 will get content that isn't available for PS3. Rumors say it will be new cities, but they could be wrong.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 6:55PM (Unverified) said
...and is one of the reasons I gave up being a PS3 owner. The fanboys, the fake promises. In fact, sure, be a fan of something but don't be a fanboy. That's not aimed at you but aimed at fanboys such as those on Sony's front.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:38PM xGearSecondx said
Wait wait wait wait.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sony announce at one time that they "didn't need GTA" for the growth of their systems upcoming? If they don't need GTA then whats with this marketing ploy?- Clearly the 360s is the better choice either way.
Posted: Apr 24th 2008 10:55AM xGearSecondx said
No corrections, huh? Yea... I kinda thought so..
And yes. I replied to myself.
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And yes. I replied to myself.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:55PM (Unverified) said
Why do you keep voting yourself up Zoos?
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 2:58PM (Unverified) said
Oh, and speaking of personal insults:
"keep suckin' on Sony's cock, queer" -Zeus
Does respect mean anything to you?
"keep suckin' on Sony's cock, queer" -Zeus
Does respect mean anything to you?
Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 10:42PM (Unverified) said
I'm fairly new to this so I'll give it a quick whirl:
Firstly, I didn't realise as to how much fanboys suck (until now...I'm sorry guys, you're passionate but the ones that don't know how to vocalise their opinions properly, make the others look bad).
Secondly, there seems to be quite a large number of PS360 owners so in all honesty why not just respect his/her('s) decision to get GTA IV on the console of their choice, no-one has said as to which version is graphically superior & it just so happens that Microsoft acquired EXCLUSIVE (rightly said by Zeus) content but this does not mean that DLC or something similar won't be coming to those who buy it on PS3.
I'm not biased for either side (which is evident from this post) but I will say as a gamer I love GTA and at the end of the day I don't understand why fanboys get so passionate (unless they had shares in either Sony/MS) because all of us buying this game will be giving the majority of the money to Rockstar.
Going back to the original topic of this article is what fueled the fire for the fanboys but come on whoever wrote that, it's just unfair (whether Sony paid for it or not)...GTA is meant to be played how you, the consumer want to play it! (That kinda bias ain't cool). Jus a quick personal addition, I have had an RRoD, it sucks big time but it is unfair that PS3 fanboys use this to constantly attack 360 owners just like 360 fanboys say that the PS3 has a lack of games when a majority of games nowadays (with the exception of some AAA exclusives such as Halo, God of War, Gears, MGS, Final Fantasy, Bioshock) are multi-platform.
Anyway all I'm saying is that choose whatever console you want to experience GTA IV just don't run around touting your choice as the best because it's an argument of opinion, which you're never going to win (regardless of RRoD's, 'lack of games', exclusive content, free online gaming). Myself (being a PS360 owner - I'm reiterating that point for the fanboys) I'm getting it on the 360...not because of the DLC (360fanboys) but it just so happens that I prefer to game online with a select group of friends who just so happen to own 360's & I know the online component of the game is something I'll be playing for a long time...if they got PS3's then it'd be the other way around ;) but hey it's not as if you can't trade in your 360copy for a PS3copy or vice versa :D
GL HF - Bring on April 29th!!
Firstly, I didn't realise as to how much fanboys suck (until now...I'm sorry guys, you're passionate but the ones that don't know how to vocalise their opinions properly, make the others look bad).
Secondly, there seems to be quite a large number of PS360 owners so in all honesty why not just respect his/her('s) decision to get GTA IV on the console of their choice, no-one has said as to which version is graphically superior & it just so happens that Microsoft acquired EXCLUSIVE (rightly said by Zeus) content but this does not mean that DLC or something similar won't be coming to those who buy it on PS3.
I'm not biased for either side (which is evident from this post) but I will say as a gamer I love GTA and at the end of the day I don't understand why fanboys get so passionate (unless they had shares in either Sony/MS) because all of us buying this game will be giving the majority of the money to Rockstar.
Going back to the original topic of this article is what fueled the fire for the fanboys but come on whoever wrote that, it's just unfair (whether Sony paid for it or not)...GTA is meant to be played how you, the consumer want to play it! (That kinda bias ain't cool). Jus a quick personal addition, I have had an RRoD, it sucks big time but it is unfair that PS3 fanboys use this to constantly attack 360 owners just like 360 fanboys say that the PS3 has a lack of games when a majority of games nowadays (with the exception of some AAA exclusives such as Halo, God of War, Gears, MGS, Final Fantasy, Bioshock) are multi-platform.
Anyway all I'm saying is that choose whatever console you want to experience GTA IV just don't run around touting your choice as the best because it's an argument of opinion, which you're never going to win (regardless of RRoD's, 'lack of games', exclusive content, free online gaming). Myself (being a PS360 owner - I'm reiterating that point for the fanboys) I'm getting it on the 360...not because of the DLC (360fanboys) but it just so happens that I prefer to game online with a select group of friends who just so happen to own 360's & I know the online component of the game is something I'll be playing for a long time...if they got PS3's then it'd be the other way around ;) but hey it's not as if you can't trade in your 360copy for a PS3copy or vice versa :D
GL HF - Bring on April 29th!!
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