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Posted: May 14th 2009 6:44PM (Unverified) said

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@damian:

1) If I relied on review sites for my information as to what good games are, I would have played maybe 5 or 6 good games, ever... those sites are biased and trashy... as a matter of fact, metacritic is just about the only chance you have at splitting the trash from the good games, and even it's not always accurate/fair... (Watch how any game that has Zelda or Mario in it shoots up above 85, because all game news and magazine sites fear the repercussions of angering Nintendo fanboys... I love those games myself, but, they don't outrank other good games, they are just also good)...

As a Wii owner, then, also you should be acquainted with the fact that if you read the reviews of any gamecube-converted-to-wii game out there it is about 10-15 points lower than it should be even on metacritic, as the plethora of ignorant reviewers and gamers sit and rate it against itself.


2) When I declared that DS games were over 90% shovelware, I wasn't saying that over 90% of those games don't suit my tastes as a gamer... I'm talking game quality, even for toddlers... I have 3 nieces with DSes, and they all like most of the pet games, etc. What I'm talking about are absolute turd-sloshers like Naruto Ninja Destiny 2 and MySims Party, both of which, even if you are a fan of the original franchise, fall desperately short of anything I'd call more than a Computer Science senior project. This list goes on to include the vast, vast majority of games on the DS... I know... I've tried a great, great, great number of them.

3) Your assertion that you get a 3D game as opposed to a 2D game for the same amount of money here in the future and thus you get a better return on your money is as hilarious as it is stupid. You are paying game developers and distribution companies to deliver you an entertaining experience. It doesn't matter if George Lucas and the entire cast of the original Star Wars all come together to make the game, just for you to play and no one else... if it still sucks, it's still worth exactly $0.

If I bother wasting my time to turn on a DS to play a game, and I play it for less than an hour and then turn it off and never play that game again, how much was it worth? Was it worth $10? No, I could have watched a movie in a theater for 2 hours for that amount of money. Is it worth $5? Nope, could have bought a freezer meal and sat and watched TV and had more fun. Sadly, the majority of Nintendo DS games that I've tried via emulator and flash cart? That's most of them.

I don't have either money or time to waste on things that aren't fun, and when most games are copy/pastes of other games, or wholly new and terrible ideas, I'm not buying them.

Like I said in another post, I'll buy Total War games. I'll buy resident Evil games. I'll buy Battlefield games. I'll buy Valve, Blizzard, and Rockstar games. Guitar Hero type games, and solid RPGs. There are several others. These have all proven themselves to be worthy investments that glue me to a computer for 4-5+ hours at a time, multiple times.

Here's another interesting fact for you... I've never pirated a game that provided a playable demo... as a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that the least pirated games are those that provided a playable demo. Why? Because I can download it, try it out for free... when it sucks, no purchase, when it rules, I buy it.

Same for things that can be rented in my area... NDS games and PC games cannot be (and Wii titles here are rare, Blockbusters here do not carry them). Strangely, look which systems get pirated the most.

Most people pirate because they don't want to part with their money for something that's probably gonna suck. If you can rent it for $5, that's much easier than pirating a console game.

Solutions for the worried-about-piracy-failing-PC/Console industry:
1) Reduce prices across the board... $30 tops.
2) If you can't demo the game, it's not worth buying.
3) MMOs work pretty well, make more of those.
4) Figure out a functional rental mechanism for PC games.
5) Stop pretending that every pirated copy is some amount of money that you "lost" when in fact, far less than 10% of all pirated games would have likely actually been purchased.
6) Stop publishing everything that comes across your table... movie production houses and book publishers have been doing this for a long time... just because the art is cool doesn't mean it'll sell or be worth playing, and even if it does sell, if it sells and sucks, the chances of that guy buying from your company again decrease.
7) More services like Steam that actually work, and allow people to demo and then reject or buy without having to go to a store, or have a lengthy download process that fails midstream.
8) You really need to let people have backup copies of games somehow... steam accomplishes this by allowing people to re-download games directly from steam. I seriously legitimately lost CD 2 of BF 1942, and my Half Life 2 DVD. I lost the ability to play BF 1942, but, Steam covered me for Half Life 2 with a simple download.

Those things would help tremendously, and if you doubt it, you're a fool.

http://www.judgex.com/

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Posted: May 14th 2009 3:04AM KHROMEKOR4N said

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For this guys sake I hope it dosen't work the the way it's described.Since this won't work for most modern slot 1 devices for the DS, as they don't require patching.

Posted: May 14th 2009 1:04PM GreenElf said

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They do require patching, It's just done on the fly from the carts logic chips.
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Posted: May 14th 2009 5:06AM Emophia said

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I buy all my PC, PSP, and PS3 games.

But I pirate all my DS games.

Does that make me a bad man?

Posted: May 14th 2009 5:23AM (Unverified) said

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Sounds good to me. This way i can buy a flashcart and use it's cool features (homebrew, videos, etc... ) without having to worry about being tempted to download games just cos i know they are out there for free.

Posted: May 14th 2009 5:36AM (Unverified) said

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@Zoinks
It's just not like that. You can't compare stealing a car to downloading pirated games. In the first case you mostly have to ruin some parts of the defensive mechanisms of the car, while when you download this kind of "damage" is already done, when it was hacked, so if you download it you don't do any additional harm to the "owner", least, if you intend to buy it afterwards (like Brodo claims to do) when there is no rental service or try-and-buy solution available. (I don't know where he lives, but here in my country there is no video game renting, or they hide it very good, because I searched them everywhere. It would be dangerous due to the bad security and you'd need to give an incredibly high safety deposit too.) I know, that it's still stealing, but (to make your analogy accurate) if you could just copy-paste someone's car after cracking it, it would not be such a big deal, don't you think?

Posted: May 14th 2009 5:40AM (Unverified) said

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(Damn, I forgot that here only the tier one comments can replied!)
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Posted: May 14th 2009 8:36AM (Unverified) said

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Wow. Just Wow.

This anti-copying measure is going to revolutionize Anti-piracy! or Not. I think this might end up actually being a hindrance to 'legit' game carts in some way. Not sure how, but sometimes the worst problems are encountered via 'blind-side'.

Now, for something completely (slightly) different:

I aspire to go to university, to get a degree (either in a media major or Comp Sci.) and then to work at becoming a game developer. It's been my dream since I was 11. Eight years later, I still do. Here's the Kicker: I pirate games. Lots of them. Aside from a collection of Classic games, I also have a small collection of PSP Isos, NDS roms, and a few choice PC games.

But Y'know what? I'm not really all that wrought with guilt about it.

Oh, what's that? I'm a hypocrite? A dirty Pirate who should burn in hades?

Yes, then I am a Hypocrite, but all this talk of 'I've bought every game in my collection of over 9000 games, and that makes me right and just.' Is a little more disgusting to me. Correction, VERY disgusting. Legality =/= Morality. Please spare me the parroting about 'supporting developers' and the like, it's becoming old. I KNOW how hard it is, and the pains (relatively, depending on the developer) endured to get a product out there. It'd be nice to get some profits as a form of thanks. Perhaps, if the world was perfect.

Life isn't fair. undesirable things WILL occur. If you really care, try to do something about it. Don't just get up on your high-horse because you have money that others don't. (I honestly don't care for the argument of "If you can't pay, you can't get." That's bull. It's divisive, too.)

(for a note, I usually don't bother pirating NA localizations of games. If it only has a JP version, I'll get a patch for it. Case in Point : Ys: The Oath in Felghana. No NA version, and It's hard to come by, depending on your location (if it's not Japan). Still a translation patch was made, and epic ensued. Don't crap on their hard work.)

Posted: May 14th 2009 9:44AM (Unverified) said

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There were a lot of comments I was going to call the dumbest, but then yours came along. You win.
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Posted: May 15th 2009 2:16AM (Unverified) said

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I'd like to hear why you feel that way about it.
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Posted: May 14th 2009 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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i like how the people that don't pirate stuff act like they're sooooo much better than everyone. and to say anyone that pirates is cheap and lazy, cheap yes lazy no. Take a lot more to pirate and burn a game than it does to get in a car and go buy it. if i can get something for free i will. games that offer me stuff i'll pay for, hell i've been playing wow since beta and keep an account up even when i don't play as much. but seriously 65 bucks for a game after sales tax just to get it home and have them charge you for content that's already on the disc. and people can scream all they want this is because they have to make more money to counter piracy all day all i know is walmart raises prices not to give the checker a raise it's to increase profits for the top dogs. if a game sell a few thousand copies more from the people pirating (that usally wouldn't buy it anyway) that increase profit is going to the guys on top not the little guy.

Posted: May 14th 2009 9:04AM (Unverified) said

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Metaforic's measures have already been cracked.

Posted: May 14th 2009 9:54AM heltoupee said

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[quote]Though he admits that the software could be hackable eventually, it would require a separate effort for each individual game ROM. "We add so much security to it that it will take a very long time to hack." Mclennan claims that even flashcart firmware patches will be unable to neutralize MetaFortress, though he didn't specify why.[/quote]

Translation: I'm speaking out of my rectum. Please give me some of that huge Nintendo cash-pie!

"We add so much security to it..." Come right the f*** on! Seriously? This 'Mclenan' tool actually said these words out loud to someone connected to the media? Could this guy come off any stupider?

Posted: May 14th 2009 11:11AM (Unverified) said

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The "I don't have enough money" argument has been flying for years, since software piracy was invented.

You have to be a complete buffoon to believe that people who don't have enough money to pay $50 for a video game aren't going to download it when:
A) The quality of the game is likely poor (with Nintendo DS, less than 2% of the games on the entire system are worth having... of the over 150 I've tried, I've kept less than 10... roughly the same is true of Wii).
B) (PC Games) Might not even run properly despite having excessively blown away the system requirements (See: Sim City Societies).
C) Downloading a game to try it almost always proves the bottom line is a bad deal, "oh wow this game is fun" for less than a week (which happens with MOST games), means you should have just rented it... but you can't do that on PC or with NDS, and where I live, there's not even a place to rent Wii games.
D) The case of abandonware and emulated games... simply not available in many cases without an emulator or paying an absolutely ridiculous price (such as buying a whole arcade machine or JAMMA PCB)

I've bought plenty of games over the years... probably enough to pay for your (apparently very affordable) college education. I've got like, every system, and stacks of game boxes from floor to ceiling... almost all of them a $30-50 investment at the time...

Looking back over that collection, I am saddened by the fact that only a few of them were actually worth the money. The "Total War" series of games and most of the better class of RPGs, Zelda games, and Mario prime titles (Mario Kart included) immediately come to mind. Resident Evils, Battlefield 1942-2-2142-etc, Half Life & HL2, Starcraft, Emperor Battle for Dune (sleeper hit you never played), Every command and Conquer game except Red Alert 2 (which was unbalanced and goofy), Dark Age of Camelot (But not WOW, I wasted well over $100 on that bag of crap) etc etc etc. All of these I've purchased and all of these were worth the hundreds of dollars you can easily add up looking at them, yet the number of games I've parted cash with is easily 10-15 times that... and I'm moderately careful, generally not being the first of my friends to buy a title.

Anyway, kiddo, wait till after college when you're *really* making payments on everything from your mortgage to veterinary bills to municipal fees and trash collection on your own dime, spending 10-11 hours of your waking day away from home 5-6 days per week, being responsible for the care of others, and so on... free time becomes more valuable, and so does money, as life goes on.

Also, as a graduated college student, I am curious how you pay your own tuition etc etc etc with no student loans and still afford games. When I tried that trick, no matter how I sliced it, wages at local jobs couldn't afford all that stuff you were talking about (tuition, food, rent/room and board, etc etc 20k per year)... did you luck into a $20 an hour job with flexible hours to put yourself through college, or are you living at home with mommy and daddy and then saying they aren't paying?

Because if you did either of those and came here and told us "I don't have enough money" argument doesn't fly, you're pretty much king of the turds (I took student loans which I'm paying off still and survived on ramen noodles, while doing internet lab management for about $6 an hour, but, I'm from the 3rd poorest state in the union so...).

http://www.judgex.com/

Posted: May 15th 2009 2:31AM (Unverified) said

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you know, I agree (for the most part) with what you are saying, but I'd watch it about assuming I wasn't already getting student loans, and about as broke as a joke. I don't remember giving you enough information to go and say that, but I'll humor you: I do live with my parents.(which I'd really prefer you not use the 'mommy and daddy' phrase, it makes you look a bit like a douchebag. Let's not go there.) But I still have to pay them rent when I'm not on campus. Food has been scarce for me, since up until today, I only ate about 1-2 times over the course of days.
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Posted: May 15th 2009 9:02AM (Unverified) said

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@Nexas
I wasn't even talking to you on this one. It was directed at someone else, and the lame commenting system here took it out of being a reply...

Someone else made the comment that "low money was not a reason to pirate" and then went on to say they were a college student who bought all kinds of games and had no student loans, etc etc etc.

There's nothing wrong with having the advantage of a Mom and Dad who help you through college, just don't get all high and mighty about money, because, not everyone has that luxury, and if you want to look like a huge douchebag, the fastest way to do it is to flaunt your money like that guy did.

I guarantee that piracy is related directly to price vs. value, and if the price matched the value of the games, they wouldn't be pirated.

http://www.judgex.com/

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Posted: May 14th 2009 12:08PM Timerider said

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I have a Action Replay Duo that can back up save files from DS games (not the games, just the saves). But it no longer works with the newer Pokemon games.

Posted: May 14th 2009 12:26PM Drago Dracini said

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I give it, at most, 48 hours...

Posted: May 14th 2009 12:57PM GreenElf said

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I buy my games, but owning a flash cart has made my DS much more than just a gaming machine. It adds features to the DS that it should have had at launch, like music playback and PDA features. The homebrew Dev community is excellent and has provided me with hours of entertainment and usefullness from my DS.

That's not to say that I don't play dumped ROMS on my cart, I do. But they're MY dumps. It takes FOREVER, but I feel it's part of the trade-off. You gotta pay for the convenience.

All you people who say that I am an idiot for paying for my games remember this: If no one bought the games there wouldn't be any games for you to steal.

Posted: May 14th 2009 3:03PM YouForgotPoland said

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We've already seen this sort of protection built into a few DS games: Chrono Trigger would go into an endless loop as you traveled through the first warp, DQ5 wouldn't allow you to get off the boat, etc.

However, it should be said that fixed versions for each of these games were up and online within a day.

Posted: May 14th 2009 3:26PM (Unverified) said

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no... i just got an r4ds. i hope they hack it fast so i can play this icarly game ive been hearing about! lol jking

Posted: May 14th 2009 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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I don't even play games on my flash cart.

Posted: May 14th 2009 7:52PM Dblade said

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I don't see why people are saying they can't afford games. I've notice that the average price of DS games falls pretty heavily on even new games. Even then the highest price is $40 US, for square-enix games-most debut at $30 US, and if you wait and it isn't a top-tier game, it quickly hits $20.

DS games also tend to have a long playtime, since its a very RPG-heavy system, so it's pretty good value for the buck.

If you can't afford games, don't pirate, just wait for the new releases to go down in price or on sale. Just spending 20 bucks a week for one game is probably going to give you more playtime than you can handle if its a 60 hour rpg.

Posted: May 15th 2009 1:59AM Diosoth said

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You can whine about piraters "not respecting the game companies", but from what I've seen, the game companies don't really give a damn about their customers anyway. If a game sells poorly, they drag out the usual "piracy hurt sales" or the resurrected "used game sales are criminal" rants. Blame the customers. Slap restrictive, possibly harmful DRM into PC games. yes, because we all know DRM has done wonders to stop piracy... Just once I'd like to see a company admit they released a game that wasn't worth the money.

And as for used game sales, well, too bad. I buy a physical item, I will resell it, give it away, or throw it away when I'm sick of it or if I need emergency cash. Cars cost a LOT more money but car companies aren't pushing to ban used car sales. Actually, no one is, aside from the video game industry.

I have a vid up on Youtube posted on Vince Desi's behalf where he defends used game sales. Specifically, attacking big bad Mike Capps of Epic Games.

Posted: May 15th 2009 4:27AM (Unverified) said

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beh theyre already dominating the console market and handheld market, and the games don't take nearly as much money to develop because of the ds and wii hardware limitations

Posted: May 18th 2009 7:58PM (Unverified) said

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Bunch of shmucks up in here. I don't pay for nearly any game unless I REALLY like it, and you guys try to convince me I'm dumb for moral reasons? How about the fact my library crushes yours, and my money goes towards more important things in my life? Sounds like I'm coming out on top and some of you guys are sucking algae because you're a sheep doing the "right thing". Keep on paying so guys like me don't have to. Wolves and sheep, kids.

If the industry collapsed tomorrow due to piracy, would I care? Nope. I'd spend my cash I saved by pirating to throw a party and not give a shit.

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