Respected outlet Consumer Reports has concluded that the Kinect ID functionality in Microsoft's new peripheral has equal difficulty recognizing users of any skin tone in low light. The organization did a series of tests after GameSpot reported that some of their darker-skinned staffers weren't being recognized by the Kinect. Consumer Reports states, "We did not experience any instance where one player was recognized and the other wasn't under the same lighting conditions."
To be clear, only the Kinect ID functionality is affected by lighting in the room, as gameplay uses an infrared system. CR noted that the claims against Kinect reminded the group of the "racist HP laptop" situation from last year, which also came down to an issue of lighting in the room. Head on over to Consumer Reports to see a video of their Kinect tests.
Reader Comments (57)
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:35PM Miami Prodigy said
I brought my kinect yesterday and as a dark skined person I can honestly tell you that it has nothing to do with your skin tone it was able to read me perfectly.....
the only time it wasnt able to read me was when I tried to play kinect naked in the dark.
the only time it wasnt able to read me was when I tried to play kinect naked in the dark.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:45PM Miami Prodigy said
@Ashkental
They probably thought that my shlong was a 3rd hand
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They probably thought that my shlong was a 3rd hand
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:54PM Jack Kevorkian said
@Miami Prodigy your Kinect still makes racial jokes about you when he hangs out with other Kinects.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:35PM Claws said
I know Im gonna get downvoted severly for this but... We all knew this was coming.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:35PM Ashkental said
Kinect, like Dogs and HP Laptop is racist.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:03PM oO Wallace Oo said
@DeeZeee
HP having been beating on Dr Dre with a Laptop ?
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HP having been beating on Dr Dre with a Laptop ?
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:36PM Jason B said
All cameras should now come with a spot light installed so low light levels won't be an issue.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:36PM DeeZeee said
Cool, I'm glad Kinect is a racist! I don't need peripherals like that in my living room, my Wii Fit already mocks me enough :(
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:40PM Zertoss said
Marge! Marge! The doll's trying to kill me, and the Kinect is a racist!
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:41PM PreGHz said
Well this sucks. First my room isn't big enough, now it's not brightly lit enough.
What's next? My pet snake will start freaking out because of the infrared scattering? Oh wait...
What's next? My pet snake will start freaking out because of the infrared scattering? Oh wait...
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:57PM R Planteer said
@PreGHz
Actually the problem would be if your room was TOO brightly lit, not poorly lit.
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Actually the problem would be if your room was TOO brightly lit, not poorly lit.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:43PM The Commenter Formerly Known as said
Oh no it didn't...
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:43PM aray48 said
KINECT IS RACIST
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:45PM Prboi said
Always playing the race card
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:52PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
So the darker you are the more light you need?? Check.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:54PM Faceless Troll said
Aw, and here I was hoping we'd get to see some class action lawsuit shenanigans out of this.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:54PM EDZiLLUH said
i tried it naked at the Best Buy set-up & it read me perfectly thought my 3rd leg was going to be a problem
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:55PM Octoplus said
And thus began the war of man vs. machine.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 2:56PM rchapoteau said
It has a hard time recognizing me (african american) and I have decent lighting in my house. I'm going to have to have my white roommates test it out to see if it recognizes them or not.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:02PM DBuckEye said
It's like people think that the programmers intentionally designed Kinect to not work with ethnicities. It would have been more of a technical shortcoming than racism.
Posted: Nov 6th 2010 3:44PM XaiaX said
@DBuckEye It's weird that so many people seem to think the only kind of racial bias that can possibly exist is deliberate antipathy, and that careless indifference doesn't matter.
It's the same thing you get with games that use color cues even though a significant portion of the gaming audience is red/green colorblind. They're not actively trying to work against the colorblind, but the developers' assumptions are self-centered and result in a differential effect.
Black techs are pretty rare, so it's not really a surprise when a bunch of lighter skinned developers test things on themselves and it never occurs to them that people could be different. (This is the same thing that leads to androcentric development, as well. The developers are mostly dudes.)
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It's the same thing you get with games that use color cues even though a significant portion of the gaming audience is red/green colorblind. They're not actively trying to work against the colorblind, but the developers' assumptions are self-centered and result in a differential effect.
Black techs are pretty rare, so it's not really a surprise when a bunch of lighter skinned developers test things on themselves and it never occurs to them that people could be different. (This is the same thing that leads to androcentric development, as well. The developers are mostly dudes.)
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:12PM The Tim said
I guess by the time Skynet takes over this issue is moot, judging by the cast members of all the movies.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:15PM TheMichaelJackson said
I'm glad my skin color changed.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:19PM 343 Guilty Fart said
Quick! Someone call Kanye!
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:33PM Metalfacedoom said
@343 Guilty Fart "Bill Gates doesn't care about black people"
http://www.rustylong.com/blog/2009/08/bill-gates-doesnt-care-about-black-people/
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/kanye-west-3-27-08-2.jpg
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http://www.rustylong.com/blog/2009/08/bill-gates-doesnt-care-about-black-people/
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/kanye-west-3-27-08-2.jpg
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:23PM xreadmore said
What about ugly people? Can we get someone investigating that?
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 4:13PM Faceless Troll said
@xreadmore You should ask your mother to try playing it.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:25PM MLC said
All I know is played Kinect last night and enjoyed it but I didn't have a Kinect ID. I am black and the sensor did read me.
Note to people, don't play Fighter Uncaged! It sux!!!! Lol.
Note to people, don't play Fighter Uncaged! It sux!!!! Lol.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:29PM arnavdesai said
Being brown and tried it in the evening with no lights in the room but some ambient light, worked fine. Games of course dont matter.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:43PM BizarroPete said
If you're new to Kinect, you might notice that it tries to recognize you right away, even if you've never used Kinect ID to identify yourself, and tie your face to your gamertag. I was getting this message at first and didn't understand that I had to use Kinect ID first so it would recognize me later.
Also, if you use the Kinect ID tool with certain lighting, Kinect may have trouble ID-ing you if the lighting changes. In this case, you'll want to use Kinect ID in the different lighting conditions you expect to use Kinect in.
Also, if you use the Kinect ID tool with certain lighting, Kinect may have trouble ID-ing you if the lighting changes. In this case, you'll want to use Kinect ID in the different lighting conditions you expect to use Kinect in.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:47PM BizarroPete said
@BizarroPete Just for clarification, I meant that you'd have to use the Kinect ID tool at least once in each lighting condition (if theres a noticible difference) you plan on playing in.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:48PM Pure Black World Tendency said
sKinect - YOU* are the controller.
* No not you, that white guy behind you...
* No not you, that white guy behind you...
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:56PM SewerShark said
How can Kinect be racist is it is black?
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 4:26PM Metalfacedoom said
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 3:57PM hami83 said
Really? It's a computer, light is absorbed more by darker colours. The system isn't racist.....stupid stupid people.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 4:21PM spin cycle said
Gameplay on Kinect requires both IR and regular light. They are two components. The IR is used for the depth sensing the other functionality like face recognition is done by the regular RGB webcam and definitely requires ambient light.
Posted: Nov 5th 2010 4:26PM iluvalima said
Isn't racism the belief that your race is better than another? Is kinect real life?








