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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 8:34PM Schlecht said

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Before some noob asks: there is no star rating for DLC reviews.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 8:38PM xiLeShadow said

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@Schlecht

where is the star rating then?
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 8:52PM Psychoplasm said

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@Schlecht

Clearly states it in the annotation proceeding this review, but thanks for the reminder anyway.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:13PM Schlecht said

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@xiLeShadow is it there? I'm using an Android and the app can be a douche quite often. I stand (allegedly) corrected...
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:37PM AutobotIronhide said

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@aeeavb

What is an exquisite and why is he watching shirts?
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:18PM RX3115 said

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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 3:26AM Crayola Q Pants ESQ said

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Anyone see some star ratings on this review?
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 6:38AM MrAlex said

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@Crayola Q Pants ESQ

I can't
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 6:56AM syrik zero said

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@Schlecht

Note: Joystiq does not provide star ratings for downloadable content reviews with the understanding that the quality of the core game's experience is unchanged from the retail release to DLC add-ons; see: Dragon Age 2 review.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 8:44PM Special Agent Bob said

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the DLC felt very short to me.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 8:45PM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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That final part was really annoying. Fighting a boss with your party members dead is not fun.

Posted: Aug 4th 2011 10:35PM Anticrawl said

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@This Little Man Says His Name Is

Nice, thanks for the spoiler.
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Posted: Aug 4th 2011 10:50PM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@Anticrawl

The only thing spoilerish in my comment was that you fight a boss at the end, which the article already said.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 8:55PM Rawrnosaurous said

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How is the story? Is it interesting, does it really matter in the grad scheme of things or is it rather throw away?

Is the DLC any good, regardless of not giving it a star rating or not you didn't really give me any sense of whether or not it was good or worth my ten dollars.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:11PM Dukeun said

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For $10, I thought it was nice. I want more DLC though, Dragon Age 1 spoiled me with that.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:21PM liquidsoap89 said

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Showed up fine on my android...
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:14PM Nenene said

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Bioware should be giving it away for free, considering what a pile of crap Dragon Age 2 is.

The fact that they're charging for it is like pissing on a turd sandwich.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:58PM freaparn said

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@Nenene

Well... don't eat it? There's other dishes on the menu.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:07PM DevilSei said

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@Nenene

Can't say I disagree. The first several packs they released post-launch were jokes. First chunk of content they release, proclaiming it fixes lots of peoples issues with the game, give people a taste at least.

Nothing wrong with giving this piece of DLC away for either free, or at a very much reduced price for the first week or so. A way of saying "Sorry for making you trek through the same 3-4 bland recycled locations fighting waves of magically popping enemies!".
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:19PM AFATALERR0R said

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Who is Ludwig? I forgot who he is since the Joystiq podcast is dead.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:19PM onan said

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@AFATALERR0R He's the guy that was on last week's podcast along with Chris Grant and Justin McElroy.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:37PM Bronxchulo said

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cant believe ppl are buying this DLC for a crap of a game to begin with.

Bioware lost my respect when they released DA2. i bought DA2 day one and have barly got half way i think. It just makes me upset that they went from a great game (DAO) to such a crappy one (DA2). Will not be buying DA3 until that shit is in the bargin bin.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:17PM Yojimb0 said

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@Bronxchulo I never played DAO so I can't really compare, but after all the hate I was surprised by how much I actually enjoyed DA2... True environments were repetitive, the environment art was pretty poor, and the city was laid out poorly (so many weird twists and narrow turns... it was very awkward and unlikely.)

That said, I really enjoyed managing my party's tactics, the voice acting was reasonably decent, and the story hook of being a refugee in a foreign land was an interesting hook. I liked the little dwarf guy, I liked switching between my characters in a fight... And while the characters and animations weren't stellar, they looked a lot better to me than the mannequin style characters from DAO.
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 12:51AM Cal said

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@Yojimb0

Go play DA:O, then you'll see why people were disappointed by what DA2 ended up being.
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 2:11AM Nashk said

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@Cal

I played DAO, and yet that held no bearing at all to why I felt any disappointment to DA2.

DA2 failed when it came to dungeons, city design, and basic sidequests, but it made up for that in much improved character interaction and player tone choice.

While I loved characters in DAO, seeing Isabella and Merril play cards without you, Aveline refinding love after losing her husband, (and rejecting you while she's at it), Merril and Varric displaying their friendship (which they develop over the years without you)...

Voice acting, Character interaction was amazing. Its still a flawed work, but people putting DA2 down without acknowledging its merits are not being fair.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 9:50PM TehPeanut said

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My love for Dragon Age (mostly origins) compels me to buy this, but my hatred of the lazy design of DA2 won't allow me to press the "purchase" button on my 360. The more I thought about it the more upset I got that DA2 really was such a huge disappointment.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:00PM Rawrnosaurous said

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@TehPeanut I have spent so much time playing and replaying Origins and Awakening, I went through DA2 once and still can't make myself attempt to play through it again. It's just nowhere near as good, which is really depressing.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:17PM RX3115 said

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@Rawrnosaurous I could not even get past the first 10 minutes, this is coming from a guy that has spent around 150 hours in origins and 30 in awakening.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:11PM Lafajet said

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It always makes me a bit sad whenever I see people vomiting out their hate for DA2, the game really does deserve better then that. When it comes to telling a story it does many things so utterly right compared to the first Dragon Age. It moves away from Bioware formula 1A to tell a more nuanced story with more compelling characters. I found it a refreshing break from the traditional fantasy epic.

To me it just feels like the game is unjustly judged by a handful of questionable design decisions and for not being able to make the players grok the essence of the game. It's not perfect, it just deserves better.

That being said, not sure I'll pick this up right now. Money is a bit tight for me this month, and I would really rather pick up Xenoblade Chronicles (thank you, Nintendo of Europe) with what I can spare. Maybe another time, when I can pick up more DA2 DLC at the same time and have sort of a mini marathon.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:31PM arkweld said

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@Lafajet

Just looking at this screen shot makes me think it's the same game as DA2. Isn't that another one of those warehouses again?

After playing Witcher 2 my opinion of DA2 has gone even lower. The only thing that sticks out in my mind as being great about DA2 was the voice acting and dialog but everything else Witcher 2 has just further emphasized in DA2 as being extremely poor - from the bland empty locations and static ten-year world, to the look and feel which had no character or charm (apparently cool loot that all looks identical in the inventory! Yay! Fun!) to the spawn heavy combat and ridiculous arcade-style fighting animations.

DA2 was a game with no soul and this DLC looks like more of the same.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:35PM DevilSei said

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@Lafajet
Honestly? My biggest reason for not liking Dragon Age 2 is that it feels like every step they took forwards, they had to at least take another back. It took me a while to actually start enjoying Origins, but when I did I loved it. I even 100% the game's achievements.
I played the demo for DA 2, and while the combat was definitely improved, and the short bit good enough, it wasn't exactly telling of the entire game...

After a while, combat just felt floaty, my greatsword using Hawk just felt like he was moving far too fast, and attack speed seemed just about on par with everyone else, whether it be sword and shield or dagger. They made the animations of skills a little TOO flashy with several skills, and while I know there is a major villain in the game, I don't feel like the first act does much to really grab your attention. It just drags on, and it doesn't help that by throwing every single ally at you within the first hour or two instead of pacing them out a little.
And atop the ally, I just can't stand the "archetypes" they push each character into. Anders IS your healer, no if ands or buts about it, Aveline will never be anything than a chin-shaped meat shield, and well... I love Final Fantasy, but Fenrir... for gods sake man eat some protein! I don't know how he handles his sword!

There's also the whole "I don't give a rats arse if you killed Zevran and Leliana off in your Dragon Age game, they are alive in this because I SAID SO!" thing in it too... which kills my sense of connectivity between Origins and this.
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 9:13AM Nashk said

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@DevilSei

Zevran being alive was a bug that bioware fixed in the second(?) patch.

Leliana being alive actually has story reasons to it, with hints indicating it was dying near the ashes that saved her. (of course bioware is waiting to tell us until either a new dlc or game)

Also, while your party members do have archetypes bioware built them for, it takes little effort to craft them into whatever you want them to be.

Isabella the rogue? She can tank easily. Aveline can cause Can be built for damage (sns is arguably better than two handed. Comparable damage, with more survivability.)

Merril at least prepatch could solo the game. You get the idea.
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 11:38AM DevilSei said

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@Nashk
I really hope they aren't doing that with Leliana... That just sounds more like a jump-the-shark-level retcon than anything else. Besides, don't you ruin the ashes before you fight her? Its been a long while since I played Origins so I can't remember.

And as for the archetypes, the only one that really bugs me is Anders. Not only do I just not like his character in DA 2, I don't like the fact that he is the only healer, and is the only one who can be a healer. Your basic heal, the only spell you get, has a cooldown that is way too long to be relied upon. And considering I hate Carver, I'd rather not be forced into making a mage Hawke to possibly replace him as healer.
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 1:23PM johnvonhugendong said

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@Lafajet
Dragon age 2 deserve a good chunk of the hate it gets it was a lazily made game that had a completely illogical story; lazy level design and ugly bland graphics. It should not have had the words "dragon age" in the title because people who bought it were expecting something good with that name.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:13PM akeso said

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I think "NO THANKS" sums it up pretty well.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:24PM RX3115 said

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@akeso Vote with your Wallets!!
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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 1:19AM ngSliver said

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@RX3115

I tried that once but the damn thing didn't fit in the ballot box, I don't understand how people do this or how does doing it will improve dragon age 2 or the battery life of the 3DS... but I believe them so I will keep trying.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 10:23PM Shadowbender said

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All of these complaints I heard on the podcast and the internet beyond sound like everything I DON'T want to deal with in a game, period. Then again, who does, but things like regurgitated environments are one of my top gaming pet peeves.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 11:18PM Kibbles XIII said

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I will say that i diddnt mind DA2

It did like playing it on the large part but i thougt that most the problens like reusing the maps as something that they diddnt bother to change

I think the thing i diddnt like about it was characters constantly leaving combat while being attacked and how a regular heal has the same recharge time as a greater heal (and things like that)

And while i can see why alot of people diddnt like it i did find it fun to play for the characters and whatnot

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 12:52AM Angel Mass said

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Moar plez

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 1:08AM darksied said

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Sounds good, might have to give it a try. I just wish the regular game had this much thought put into it. Oh well, here's hoping they learn their lesson for DA3.

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 1:41AM Radeus said

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Wow, lots of hate in this thread....DLC is awesome...best yet for the Dragon Age series (notwithstanding DAO DLC not being that great).

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 3:35AM Ospov said

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I liked DA2 enough to play it 2 1/2 times, but I really thought it was stupid how they had the exact same locations throughout the entire game. I just can't get over how incredibly dumb that was. You would think even during the first 5 minutes of development that somebody would say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't have the player go through this warehouse 10 times..."

I doubt I'll get this DLC, but I'm still looking forward to DA3. I'm sure BioWare has learned plenty from making DA2 and will fix most of the problems by the time DA3 comes out.

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 4:13AM AMonkey said

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I'll never spend more money on DA2 after the mediocre game and the way Bioware treated fans.

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 5:49AM sleepwheel said

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i see dlcs as padding out while devs work on sequel/prequel of the game. just look at all the dlcs for fallout nv. it brings in some money in between the 1-2 year development of the next game. so i don't see why fans shouldn't support it.

having said that, this dlc is a disappointment. da2 as a whole is also a disappointment. bioware took a gamble with the direction change in da2. that's good for them to try different thing but ultimately, it fail.

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 9:16AM (Unverified) said

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Sounds good. I liked DA2 and I'll be getting this for sure.

Here's hoping the next DLC is post-campaign though. I want some closure.

Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 12:11PM kjones555 said

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Loved DA:O. Liked DA2 to warrant several playthroughs and while I hate alot of things in DA2, I am looking forward to DA3 simply because Bioware knows how to tell a pretty compelling story. That being said, I'll probably pick up Legacy today just to give it a whirl.

Posted: Aug 4th 2011 4:14PM halcyondayz said

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I can understand people's dislike for DA2, but overlooking its flaws I thought it was quite enjoyable. I enjoyed the fact that Hawke was able to speak whereas the Warden didn't. The story was different than DAO and maybe not as good, but the game is decent. There's room for improvement with just about everything and hopefully Bioware has enough time to make those improvements with DA3. As for the Legacy DLC, there are quite a few DLC for other games that I want first, but I'm sure I'll get this eventually.

Posted: Aug 4th 2011 10:41PM Anticrawl said

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I enjoyed DA2. It fixed the combat side of Origins but it also made the tactics, loot and leveling way to simple. I don't mind the grind of similar looking dungeons... I mean it is /that/ sort of a game.

I loved it until the end. I threw my hands in the air and proclaimed, "WHAT THE $#%$!" It just ends, no conclusion, no nothing. It was cruel and sadist what Bioware did to us with the ending. You don't stop a story just at the upturn of the climax.

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