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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:05PM StarcasM said

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WU-TANG, not Nintendo is for the Children!

*makes "W" with hands as he hops away like Mario*

WU-TANG!!
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:20PM GodOfWar526 said

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@StarcasM

Waa?...
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:31PM TheSpaghettiman said

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@StarcasM Watch ya step kid.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 9:37PM Brodo said

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I really don't know if Nintendo will recover.
I truthfully think that the WiiU is a bad, bad move on Nintendo's part.
I think that part of the problem with the 3DS is that a large chunk of the people who bought the DS were the 'casual' gamer that Nintendo was so gung-ho to target. This so called 'casual' gamers are not going to have the same drive to buy a new console as the hardcore gamers. They are content with their current DS consoles.
With the Wii, I feel that Nintendo lost a huge chunk of its core, "hardcore" audience. These people (like myself) will not buy a WiiU at launch. The 'casual' gamers I believe will see the WiiU as just another Wii console, and they will wait for a price drop to hop on board.

Just me speculating
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:39PM sonicspike41 said

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@Co

Remember folks, it's [ ! ] not [ - ] when dealing with people who troll and rely on petty insults. (Or, alternatively: [ ! ], reload page, [ - ].)
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:54PM OnToGloryReturns said

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@Co

I know that you're a fanboy/troll but I'll go fishing anyway:

The prior two generations of console gaming were driven by Sony - period. The success of the PS1/PS2 is simply undeniable as was the mediocre performance of the N64/GC comparatively - Nintendo kept it's head above water with its' handhelf business which was of course spectacular.

While the Wii had tremendous success this gen it also painted itself into a corner and when the bottom fell out, it fell out hard. Of course Sont and MS wanted a piece of that pie and came to the game too late as people were way over the motion control gimmick.

Nintendo's 1st party top tier stuff is great, no doubt; but this generation has largely been defined by the online experience as seen in the huge explosion of online games like COD and its' ilk and is clearly where the industry is going in terms of content being delivered digitally.

If Nintendo is going to succeed next gen they need more that a gimmick this time - they need a technically superior console (which apparently isn't happening as the WiiU looks to exceed only the current gen) and a comprehensive online experience which they've already stated they aren't doing.

Bottom line: Nintendo better pull a rabbit out their hat if they want to stay relevant. Smartphones and tablets are taking over the portable gaming industry, previously Nintendo's bread and butter and the WiiU looks to be easily outpaced by what MS and Sony will put out.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:23PM A Sandwich said

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@OnToGloryReturns

Fact: You know absolutely nothing about the NextBox or the PS4. For all you know they could be weaker than the Wii U.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:45PM MrGreen said

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@Co Kettle meet pot etc...
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:56PM jeremy2020 said

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@Co Reggie, maybe your company shouldn't have **** on developers for years on end. Don't forget, Nintendo *created* Sony by bending over a partner and it angered developers with the N64.

Let's not forget about other thing like Child's World and fighting against 3rd party peripheral makers.

Nintendo has made their bed and many of us who really don't care what console dominates don't give any one of them slack.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 12:05AM OnToGloryReturns said

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@A Sandwich

Because that's going to happen. I think ten years in the industry gives me insight into the product cycles. Fact.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 2:01AM possdoom said

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@A Sandwich the WiiU has said to be on par with the 360 and PS3 so how can the next MS snd Sony next consoles be weaker than the current generation
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 7:25AM Oogzy said

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@Brodo

I'm with you to a small extent. I'd jump on a new Playstation or Xbox, but that's because they both have a much broader horizon of games that aren't solely first party. There's too many games to list that are fantastic games for both the PS3 and 360, but if I had to count them on the Wii, it wouldn't be all that difficult. It would be mostly Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kirby and even then not all of the first party titles are that great. Mario Olympics, anyone?

While the DS had a much more vast market of good games, the 3DS is still severely lacking, which is why I haven't bought one. You need good games to sell a console and when the best games are remakes, I don't care as much. There's also the fact that I really dislike how small the screens are (I sold my DSi for DSi XL) as well as the awful battery life. The thing lasts less time than my phone, and that's bad.

Once Nintendo steps their game back up, I'll be more interested in a new device. Until then, though, I couldn't care. I won't be buying a Wii U, I don't see the point in it. Yeah, that controller is interesting, but that's it. Everything I've read says you can only use one per console, and that really kills it for me.

Step it up Nintendo, I don't want to see you guys fall.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 8:05AM Undulation said

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@possdoom
It's more powerful than the current gen of systems I assure you.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 11:54AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@Brodo

The names WiiU & 3DS may be doing a disservice because to the average mom & dad it sounds like what they already bought.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 8:05PM Foetoid said

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@possdoom

Seriously? Whoever said that obviously has thier head in thier asses. Several developers have come out to say the Wii U is much faster than both the Ps3 and the 360. It's running something like a HD4870 which is leaps and bounds ahead of the 7800gtx in the Ps3 and X1900 equivalent in the 360. Its not even comparable in power.

Honestly though it doesn't have the impact you'd expect. Even if the Ps4/Nextbox ran 6000-series equivalent GPUs, the leap in graphical prowess from this generation would be significant, but i wouldn't expect actual in-game graphics to improve substantially. Graphics at the moment is kinda hitting a plateau. Crysis is 4 years old now and it still one of the best looking games available, with the best-looking games now only looking marginally better, and this steady but slow increase in the graphical quality of games is likely to continue for a while.

The Wii U is several times faster than the current generation but the difference it's going to make to graphics isn't going to be significant. Games in the future will come down to content and graphic whores will have nothing left to do. And lets face it, Nintendos 1st party content is always A+. If they get the same 3rd party support that the other consoles get, its going to be hard to stop Nintendo taking out the lead next-gen too. I know i'll be getting one on launch.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2011 3:33AM teeftwo said

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@StarcasM
Number 1 problem is games. Horrible launch line up. And they need some really amazing games for casuals and hardcores a like. Wii was so full of crap it's not even funny.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 4:21PM Ardra Diva said

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@A Sandwich

Still a safe bet. Nintendo has NEVER come to market with the most powerful hardware. The Genesis outperformed the Super NES even.
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Posted: Nov 1st 2011 12:28AM Amalfitano said

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@StarcasM

I don't know why people are hating on your post. Made me especially happy as I have been listening to 36 Chambers all day.

we better BRING DA MOTHA$!@%^ RUCKUS
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:07PM slickie said

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I remember when Nintendo consoles practically came with a Super Mario game packed in at launch. That was a model that worked. If you had a Nintendo, Super Nintendo, or Nintendo 64 - you had an amazing Super Mario game to play.

When the Gamecube and Game Boy Advance came out, it took a while for Mario to show up, but there were at least some fairly good first party titles right at launch.

But these days, even those first party titles show up late to the party - and no one has a clue where the hell Mario is. That kills a lot of enthusiasm for a Nintendo platform.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:26PM blahblah55 said

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@slickie
Whether or not one believes Nintendo will make it through or not - the above comment is still true.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:27PM Oddgirl said

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@slickie Mario launched with the GBA with US SMB2, and had an EXCELLENT port of Mario World just six months later.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:32PM Kagiroi said

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@Oddgirl

I think he means a new Mario game. Lately, Nintendo consoles have been launching with ports or remakes. New stuff doesn't come down the pike until *much* later. The newly released 3DS is the worst offender thus far.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:57PM Shadowbender said

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@slickie

Wonderful comment, as this is a filthy scenario that revolves around Nintendo's "today". Tragic, actually.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 8:43PM CaptainProtonX said

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@slickie

The happiest day of my gaming life was getting my SNES in 1992 and playing SMW.

Pure magic.

Nintendo, just do this again.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 10:49PM sonicspike41 said

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@slickie

Everyone complained Nintendo didn't support 3rd parties which is why they jumped ship. Nintendo figured the easiest way to rectify that problem was to not release any games so that way third parties would be the star attraction.

I guess that strategy would've worked if more devs had committed to bringing their A game(s) to the 3DS launch.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 11:48PM The Aquacharger said

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@Kagiroi
Problem here is that third parties were complaining about Nintendo releasing core titles too close to the launch window that none of their games would sell. So with the 3DS they held back on quite a few games so 3rd parties could shine. Then msot 3rd party devs canned or delayed their games leaving us with somewhat slim pickings.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 9:31AM Tachyonic Cargo said

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@Kagiroi

I started off writing a response to your comment, but then the response kinda evolved into something else. So I wound up moving the response to my personal blog, where I wound up quoting you, and giving credit to all involved.

http://tachyoniccargo.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/nintendoesnt-any-more/
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 11:08AM whookid said

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@slickie So in essence. It doesn't print money!! Ah crap.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 11:18AM Xoonaka said

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@sonicspike41 and The Aquacharger

3rd Parties working on launch titles is hard. Firmware changes on a rapid schedule, early on hardware isn't finalized, Nintendo's lot check requirements are evolving...

1st Party has some of these problems, but they also DRIVE the development of the new hardware. If their game needs something to work, they make it happen. It's still tough, but they get the most up to date info as soon as possible, so it makes it a lot easier for them to push out a quality product.

So yes, I agree, they should've shipped with a 1st Party title, at least one. But I don't blame 3rd Parties as if they "dropped the ball". I think there were some damn good 3DS games at launch, but they admittedly didn't "push" things much... likely because the "pushing" features got cut to make launch window or because they didn't know it could do certain things soon enough.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2011 4:53PM Mal F4cti0n said

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@slickie

Well....that is great if every one who bought a Nintendo game was 8 to 12 years old and it was 10 years ago.

With all the great games out there in many different genres, great realistic graphics and compelling stories, the average gamer being 36 years old and having the income to make big purchases....well, what that means is Nintendo's game model is starting to show its age.

I bought a Wii....I don't like Link or Mario games very much, so it was pretty much the worst way for me to have spent $250. Have not played the thing in over a year. And I have Mario kart, which I actually like, but with all the great games out there on the 360, there is never a real compelling reason for me to turn the thing on.

If Nintendo doesn't grow up and realize that they need to make big boy games, they are going to be eaten up by the changing times.

Can you imagine playing a Mario game on a Playstation or an xbox? Don't say it couldn't happen. We play sonic games on those plus on a Nintendo console too.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:09PM connorxc said

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damn.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:12PM AdventXD said

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As much as it sucks, I smiled when I saw this. I used to love Nintendo but now I just continue to hope they end up like Sega so I can play Nintendo games on a Playstation or XBox.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:25PM blahblah55 said

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@AdventXD
Nintendo themselves have stated that if they were out of the console market, they'd no longer work on video games.

So... that would never happen.
And I'm glad for that. Nintendo games on non-Nintendo consoles feel... odd.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:26PM jsx92 said

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Nintendo has outdated Japanese-style business practices that make it difficult to do any development with them. All of their games, save Metroid, have been dumbed-down and over-saturated with cartoon colors. Wii Music? Wii Play? Wii Fit? Still no Pikmin? It's clear Nintendo doesn't want to make games I (or most other gamers) want to play.

Motion may be a gimmick, 3D may be a gimmick, graphics may be a gimmick; but hardware specifications make real software innovation possible. No creative developer wants to make games for silly gimmicks when there's better, more powerful hardware out there that they can actually innovate with.

Honestly, I felt bad when Sega washed up, but Nintendo is actively digging their own grave. Thanks for the memories, Miyamoto. I still occasionally rock my Nintendo sweatshirt but when you guys go belly-up I won't think much of it.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:29PM Jenks said

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I don't wish Nintendo anything but success.

That said, I would commit unspeakable acts to play Mario Kart in HD over Xbox Live with a 360 controller.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:32PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@blahblah55

Then they'd be completely out of business which makes way less sense than becoming a 3rd party.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:36PM Timjoy said

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@jsx92

"All of their games, save Metroid"

"All of their games, especially Metroid"* fixed

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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:43PM blahblah55 said

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@jsx92
Developers can always innovate. On any console. No matter what.
But if they don't care to, or if they don't want to twist themselves in order to do it: It's not going to happen.

More powerful hardware does not always equal better innovation: Creative minds equal better innovation. With the Nintendo Wii and Nintendo DS, it was almost as if developers were being FORCED to innovate - despite both consoles giving lots of room for un-innovative controls and design. Developers, however, had the 360 and PS3 if they didn't want to innovate in controls (or they just release a crappy waggle-monstrosity on the Wii)... the DS, however, was more popular than the PSP - so they were willing to put more games there (whether traditional or creative). There wasn't too much going for them on the Wii unless they forced themselves to use the controls effectively (as traditional controlled non-Nintendo/non-WiiWare/non-VC games rarely sold as well as the shovelware)...

The 3DS doesn't need big improvements from DS versions to sell well. Technically speaking, someone can just put a LONGER version of a DS game on the 3DS and it would still sell - IF the 3DS were more popular. Not enough adopters. Casual adopters would cite either that they either need more recognizable games, or that they wait until Christmas. "Hardcore" adopters would cite that there simply isn't any software that interests them.

More games need to be on the 3DS - it isn't a matter of innovation, innovation just brings in new customers... if the 3DS could simply convince DS adopters to move over to the 3DS, it would have been a safe investment. ...however, other than the Japanese who are promised quite a slew of upcoming 3rd party titles, the US market has little to look forward to until mid-2012 (unless you just count Mario and Mario Kart).

That isn't good for the 3DS. No matter which way you look at it.

This is a big problem especially since 3rd parties are delaying their games until they see the 3DS push more sales in software.......... which... basically just prevents more software sales unless Nintendo stimulates the consumers. But with Nintendo still selling a few more DS and Wii games (and development on Wii U), that isn't going to be the most helpful thing right now...
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:44PM blahblah55 said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell
Unless if they were to switch businesses....
Which they have in the past.

But with all of their money on game tech, who knows what business they could switch to soundly.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:49PM blahblah55 said

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@Jenks
If all players start MUTE, I'd agree...
Though nothing wrong with playing Mario Kart through Nintendo's online setup... since that's the only game that seems to work surprisingly smoothly on Nintendo's online infrastructure.

I can wait until the Wii U for a Mario Kart game in HD.
Nothing wrong with it now.

As long as you can easily tell what's what and aren't hindered by it: Graphics doesn't matter too much in fun-only games. ...they can affect story-based, simulation-based, and certain artstyle-based games, but Mario would still look and act like Mario if even HD'd.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 8:12PM blahblah55 said

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@blahblah55
Not sure if downvoted because I had no link to Nintendo's comment or if my comment of disliking playing Nintendo games on other consoles... If it's the latter, that's fine.

If it's the former:
"When we withdraw from the home game console, that's when we withdraw from the video game business."
https://mitsloan.mit.edu/MSTIR/system-dynamics/SonysBattle/Documents/07-046-Sonys-Battle.pdf

(sorry, I don't really have a direct link other than that, so you'll just have to copy-paste the quote)
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 8:22PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@blahblah55

Regardless of what has or hasn't been said by Nintendo brass I have a very hard idea they'd completely quit making video games if it meant going 3rd party. What else would they do? Card games or board games?
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 8:25PM CamelCamelCamel said

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@Jenks You can use Nintendo characters in ModNation Racers, y'know. Just sayin'.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 9:17PM DirkHammerHulk said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell - It's funny you mentioned that nintendo actually started as a card playing game I believe long before video games were invented or became popular.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 6:27AM DekuTree said

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@jsx92

So better graphics is innovation? Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2011 8:53AM sonyforlife said

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@AdventXD I agree there is nothing important that their console can do that others cant
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Posted: Oct 29th 2011 12:57PM Punkrawk Bbob said

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@DekuTree

Better graphics =/= innovation, but having more canvas to work with yields more room to create. Portal 2 would not have been possible on a PS2. GTA3 would not have been possible on an NES. Legend of Zelda would not have been possible on an Atari 2600.

Stronger hardware specs with as a developer allows you to create your vision without having to compromise due to memory or graphical limitations. That being said, how jsx92 commented on motion controls or 3D may be a gimmick - Those are new hardware mediums to express innovation. The problem with them is people are trying to adapt pre-existing games or using the design model for standard games for these new extensions. So while they seem gimmicky, that's because the devs are still thinking "inside the box" for their design. Like why can't we have a 3D game where the depth field determines which stage we're standing on versus in game 3D cameras that spin to show depth. Generate a very clear foreground and background that is only discernable with the 3D enabled? I guess marketability, but until they learn to start doing things unique to these new hardware extensions that couldn't have been done any other way (MMOs come to mind with utilizing online to maximum extent vs online matchmaking in an FPS). Gimmicks are made by the developers, not the hardware.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2011 3:21PM PN04 said

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Lets put things in perspective About Sega, the Dreamcast was their best system, they had decent games and weak third party support because everyone was loving the Playstation brand, but they never produced particularly bad games themselves, much like Nintendo. What sank Sega was their attempts to save the dying ARCADE market all by themselves. Pouring millions into arcade hardware that no one wanted to use for arcade games, millions into building arcades that no one wanted to go to anymore. THAT is what killed them. Nintendo bailed out of arcades before the Gamecube, they were done with it save for their dealings with other companies (remember the "Triforce" team up between them Sega and Namco that lead to F-zero the arcade game, that's the only reason it got made because Nintendo wouldnt have done it themselves). Nintendo isnt dumb, hopelessly self assured maybe but not dumb. Even if the WiiU fails they'll have not spent so much on it that they cant recoup it later on by releasing a couple of new Zelda games.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2011 1:19PM (Unverified) said

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@PN04

Not having a DVD system was Dreamcast downfall, PS2 launch was a major flop but people still brought it because of the DVD.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2011 7:12PM TurbineTech said

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It's ok. They'll make a new Galaxy Mario game or something similar and all troubles will be solved.

Right? RIGHT??????
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