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Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 4:33PM (Unverified) said

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Yes...because games like Shadow of the Colossus and Resident Evil 4 look like utter crap in NTSC...

There's more to artistry than packing in the highest quality textures. There's more to games than the prettiest coat of paint. It helps a bit. but if the game is fun, that's all that really matters...

Why is this so hard to understand for some people?

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 4:38PM (Unverified) said

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Surprise, surprise! Geoff Keighley is an idiot as well as a soulless TOOL!

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 4:39PM ProfKOS said

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@ Jago

Jabbertrack is just posting his comments. As unenlightened as they may be, but this is a forum for that. There are plenty of fanboys here, mostly for Nintendo. I count myself among them.

Let's look at this realistically though. Zelda DS....WOW!! looks amazing. I'll be first in line. Genesis and TB16 games on Virtual Console, also cool. Not earth shattering, but cool.

As to the graphical capabilities of the Rev....We know it's going to be at least 2 to 3 times as powerful as the GC. Anyone who's been anxiously waiting for Twilight Princess, or played RE4, or many other games knows that that's pretty damned good. Remeber that if you're playing a game that is truly interesting and exciting you probably aren't noticing the individually rendered blades of grass. If you are...turn the game off, pack it up and never play it again. I don't care about that. 2 to 3 times the Cube is plenty for me because all the graphics in the world aren't going to make me enjoy just another FPS or GTA clone.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 4:40PM (Unverified) said

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If you still have your snes and your games than nintendo's virtual console may not be right for you. Most people don't have their old systems and they are the initial target audience for the VC.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 4:44PM (Unverified) said

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"And jabbertrack, you obviously have closed your mind off to the new ideas and you are blind to the potential of the Revolution."

Ah, it's fun to watch the line between fanboy and insane cultist being crossed...

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 5:00PM (Unverified) said

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I might look a little silly saying this, but you really shouldn't be so quick to judge the worth of someone's comments by the number of stars (or negative stars) someone has. While I frequently don't agree with his tone, Jago has some good insight on video gaming.

Now, something has been bugging me, and I finally can articulate it - can we really go on about the entire back catalogue of games for Nintendo systems (and now, for Sega systems and the Turbo-Grafx)?

It honestly seems to me that we really don't know which companies, beyond Nintendo, Sega, and Hudson, are willing to make their games available for this service of Nintendo's. I'd love to see the original Mega Man on the Revolution, but has Capcom given the thumbs-up yet? What about Konami and Gradius? There may have been a library of over 1,000 games for the Genesis, but how many does Sega have the rights for? I'm all about playing Streets of Rage 3 on the Revo, but can I play the Genesis version of Earthworm Jim (which had the Doc Duodenum stage taken out of the SNES version)?

What we really need is a list of companies on board with Nintendo's emulation idea. While more may eventually be seduced by the idea, it'd be nice to know who's on board from the get-go.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 5:01PM (Unverified) said

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What's with the Nintendo-bashing? Is it really a significant slight that they chose to pursue gameplay over graphics this time around? Is that a bad thing? Are you naive enough to think that developers will stop hiring artists because games will be on NTSC? Anyone who says so is just proving how committed they are to putting across an agenda. If Nintendo announced 1080p and a third pillar of in-game advertising, we'd all be underwhelmed by how little they did to make their business model unique. But they chose to make different moves and they get bashed for not goose-stepping to the current trend of glitz over content? That's just silly. Personal tastes aside, it's illogical to think that anyone wants Nintendo to be more like Sony. If that were the case, they'd just purchase things made by Sony and move one without any concern for Nintendo's efforts. So the Ninty-bashing just comes off as hype-deflation or opinion control or, even worse, overzealous fanaticism aimed at destroying Nintendo's popularity.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 5:19PM (Unverified) said

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Oh is 'closing your mind' a new term for a simple smartass take on yet more console hype?

I guess any reality check from a dollar spending consumer is the enemy of 'real gamers' right?

You guys are just the consumer whores Nintendo is banking on. Someone preaches to you about 'big name' games being the devil, and you instantly buy in.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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Jabbertrack, HD isn't revolutionary, it's just a perk. Any television with component or S-Video inputs can still provide good and clear graphics at 480p.

My old 27" CRT television wasn't HD, but the Xbox is connected via component (much better than composite RCA). It sits perpendicular to my new 52" HDTV which is used with my Xbox 360. My girlfirend and I play Halo 2 together online all the time, and I'm still amazed at how good the picture looks on my old TV. HD is great and a definite improvement (especially for 360 games), but the old TV is still putting out a great picture in 480p SD.

I think a lot of consumers would be happy just upgrading to an S-Video connection even.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 5:36PM (Unverified) said

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32_footsteps:
"Iwata, I know you can give us more than this. Don't leave us this hungry."

I think you're mixing up GDC with E3. Do you really think they'd release pressure for E3 by revealing so much in GDC? If you were them, wouldn't you build up even more hype by being more mysterious?

You are left hungry - that's exactly what they wanted. It results in even bigger hype for E3.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 5:45PM (Unverified) said

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Look, I'm going to Nintendo's press conference before E3. I have no doubt that Nintendo will have plenty to talk about there.

I just think that they could have given us new information beyond a Zelda DS title and that Sega and Hudson are on board for the Virtual Console. Pricing, other companies working with the Virtual Console... those are meaty topics that could be discussed and still leave plenty for E3.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 6:12PM (Unverified) said

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fawazr: "What's with the Nintendo-bashing?"

One or two people saying negative things about nintendo is not bashing...just to go to any sony thread then you will truly know what bashing is, but if your a nintendo or xbox fanboy or you just hate sony its like heaven.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 6:20PM JoshMilewski said

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jabbertrack, using your logic, you guys are just the consumer whores Sony is banking on, judging from your preference of console on your website. Someone preaches to you about ultra-realistic graphics, multicore processors, and how these things will improve gameplay, and you instantly buy in.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 6:29PM (Unverified) said

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@ Jabbertrack:

Correction...I am a "fan" of Nintendo but I am no BIASED Nintendo fanboy. I was just as excited about stuff that Sony announced as I was about Nintendo.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 6:54PM (Unverified) said

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"Correction...I am a "fan" of Nintendo but I am no BIASED Nintendo fanboy. I was just as excited about stuff that Sony announced as I was about Nintendo."

I'm not Jabbertrack, the person you're implying it to. But how about microsoft? I guess you must be biased against them.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 6:58PM (Unverified) said

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"Sony has freely stated will be an integral part of the development process of PS3 games"

Oh, there's nothing like corporate plants lying in comment sections on blogs.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 6:59PM (Unverified) said

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My bad...but I am not "biased" to MS but I am no fan of them either. Very FEW games on their system appeal to me and the ones that do, usually are the japanese developed ones (and there are very few of those.)

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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"My bad...but I am not "biased" to MS but I am no fan of them either. Very FEW games on their system appeal to me and the ones that do, usually are the japanese developed ones (and there are very few of those.)"

No offense but some of you're posts on them, do tend to say on the contratry. I dont get how you hate something you're not even interested in. Well whatever works.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 7:32PM (Unverified) said

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Ha ha!!! And Sony & Microsoft still think they're going to beat Nintendo! NO WAY!!!!!

Q)- Who's better than Nintendo?
A)- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BODYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 7:39PM (Unverified) said

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I have to agree with the not judging someone by their stars or negative stars. It's a highly subjective system, and there's only a limited number of people who can even rate others. I never understood why some receive stars, while others with great comments never seem to receive any stars. And on the other hand, something as simply as criticizing a story (not a user mind you!) can put you in the negative (I know, I've been there). And there doesn't seem to be much you can do about it.

I sorta like Yahoo's approach with their peer recommendation system over a moderator star system. That way your peers can mark if they like what you said.

At any rate, even though I don't always agree with everyone, I do always like reading other perspectives.
The only thing I'm not crazy about is personal attacks... as I think you can make your point without calling someone a name. But that's just me.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 8:18PM (Unverified) said

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"I have to agree with the not judging someone by their stars or negative stars. It's a highly subjective system, and there's only a limited number of people who can even rate others. I never understood why some receive stars, while others with great comments never seem to receive any stars. And on the other hand, something as simply as criticizing a story (not a user mind you!) can put you in the negative (I know, I've been there). And there doesn't seem to be much you can do about it."

BINGO! That is EXACTLY what I have been saying.

"No offense but some of you're posts on them, do tend to say on the contratry. I dont get how you hate something you're not even interested in. Well whatever works."

A fanboy is someone that will like ANYTHING a company does even if it is a stupid move or a mistake. If Nintendo did something that was downright stupid and I felt that way, I would express it. Like I said, I am a FAN of Nintendo and pretty big one and just b/c I sound "excited" right now about Nintendo it is b/c they announced some things that I am really looking forward too. You should learn the difference...

"I dont get how you hate something you're not even interested in. Well whatever works."

I have an Xbox...and I don't have very many games for it. I usually rent my games instead of buying them b/c very games (in my opinion) are worth owning on the Xbox. You shouldn't assume things...

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 10:12PM chrisgrant said

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"A fanboy is someone that will like ANYTHING a company does even if it is a stupid move or a mistake. If Nintendo did something that was downright stupid and I felt that way, I would express it. Like I said, I am a FAN of Nintendo and pretty big one and just b/c I sound "excited" right now about Nintendo it is b/c they announced some things that I am really looking forward too. You should learn the difference..."

I'd like to disagree that there is such a distinction. There are only passionate people and ignorant people. Fanboys can love one company, and do it exclusively, but by the same account, they of all people should demand more from that company/product/brand/whatever. Settling for a mother knows best approach is nothing more than misplaced loyalty.

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 10:14PM (Unverified) said

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you've got it wrong, he was setting the stage for his next announcement: that independent developers normally need that to ever make it in the industry, but now, not with nintendo, they can release games on the virtual console with nintendo, dramatically cutting costs and red tape for low budget games and houses. this is an incredible idea and could really add hundreds of games to the marketplace that normally wouldnt have a shot.

Posted at 3:28PM on Mar 23rd 2006 by .ed 0 stars

Isn't this exactly what Xbox Live Arcade is doing a year before the Rev even comes out? I would hardly call this Nintendo's own "incredible idea".

Posted: Mar 23rd 2006 10:29PM (Unverified) said

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Ummm...that's kinda sorta what I said.

Oh well...

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 2:50AM Paul Gale Network said

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Awesome keynote by Mr. Satoru Iwata at this year's GDC. Nintendo does have one more keynote speech tomorrow however...how likely it is for Nintendo to unveil more big stuff is something I don't know, but it's always possible. Come on, give me a little piece more of the Revolution!
Paul Gale
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Posted: Mar 24th 2006 3:59AM chrisgrant said

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Jago: I know, I'm simply arguing semantics. I don't think we should banish the term fanboy to the gaming ghetto, making it a permanent perjorative. I think fanboys can and should be proud of their passion. For those that blindly drink the offered Kool-Aid, they aren't fanboys, they're just ignorant.

I similarly reject the pretentious and unhelpful distinction often made between "movies" and "films." Sure, it's semantics, but that's also important.

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 6:54AM Charlie W said

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I think its pretty clear that how large the library of downloadable games is, and how much nintendo tries to charge you for them, is going to make or break the revolution.

I know I can't wait to be able to play SMB and SMB3 again.

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 9:23AM (Unverified) said

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"A fanboy is someone that will like ANYTHING a company does even if it is a stupid move or a mistake."

A fanboy is also someone is biased against a company, a person who elaborates one and get highly cynical and is negative towards another, I think you post like that. I've seen you take cheapshots at microsoft then you complain at another person doing the same towards sony.

"I have an Xbox...and I don't have very many games for it. I usually rent my games instead of buying them b/c very games (in my opinion) are worth owning on the Xbox. You shouldn't assume things..."

How about an xbox 360? You're pretty cynical towards microsoft. I pretty sure you assume things on your posts or on people so save it. Another point is if you dislike it so much why have an xbox, you're saying two thing I dislike xbox but I want to keep one.

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 9:52AM makattack said

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Hasn't XBox Live Arcade already proven their point about the "Virtual Console" idea? Games on XBL Arcade cost about $5-10 USD if I'm not mistaken and include a few classic titles like Tetris, Joust, etc.

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 11:51AM (Unverified) said

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Here's a reality check:

The PS3 and Xbox360 are powerful platforms, no doubt. They'll put out games that have sharper graphics and will look great on HDTVs. You'll get a slew of multimedia functions, which you may or may not use and with one, a new disc format to support HDTV. If you look at the games out for the 360 and supposedly in development for the PS3...how are they different? Madden is Madden with a new coat of paint. PGR3 is PGR with a new coat of paint. Burnout is Burnout with a new coat of paint. Metal Gear is Metal Gear with a new coat of paint. Notice a pattern? There may be a few gameplay tweaks here and there, but it's nothing substantially different. Sure, those are great games, but is paying $400-$500, plus the cost of an HDTV and $60 bucks a game worth it just for a new coat of paint?

As a working professional that doesn't have dollars pouring out of my pockets...I see those systems and say no...it's not worth the money I earn just to get essentially the same games as the last generation with a glossier finish. I'm not shelling out the money for an HDTV just so I can see the pores on everyone's faces. It's nice, yeah...but to me, the money doesn't warrent the effect.

I'm supporting Nintendo this generation because it offers something different. It's cheaper and it has something the other two don't. If it works (which we'll see at E3), then I don't mind spending money on something that'll give me a unique experience, even if the paint job isn't as shiny. The 360 is out and it hasn't impressed me yet. I can't warrant that amount of money for a game system that's offering me, more or less, the same stuff as the last generation.

My 2 cents.

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 12:54PM (Unverified) said

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"How about an xbox 360? You're pretty cynical towards microsoft. I pretty sure you assume things on your posts or on people so save it. Another point is if you dislike it so much why have an xbox, you're saying two thing I dislike xbox but I want to keep one."

No I don't own a 360 b/c I can't justify spending $400+ to play games that are mostly just "upgraded" Xbox games (my opinion so don't have a heart attack.)

The reason why I have a heart attack is b/c (a) it only cost me $50 b/c I had traded in a bunch of old music CDs to the store "The Wherehouse" (b) there was "some" games I wanted to play but I wasn't going to pay $200 for the system to play them and (c) so I could have the system modified with a larger hard drive & EvoX soft mod.

Besides...if I want to play the 360 right now I can just do it at work b/c we have one hooked up to a 50 inch TV in our lounge.

The ONLY times (I can remember) when I criticize Sony is in regards to the PSP...and I have every right to since I OWN the PSP. I have been fairly disappointed with the software library for it since there are very FEW original games like Daxter for the system. You are confusing our right "bashing" with a consumer who is frustrated and disappointed with his purchase.

Posted: Mar 24th 2006 6:43PM bunnyraven said

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Zelda on the DS!! YES!! FINALLY!! I saw it coming from the moment Mario 64 DS released. I was looking forward to a sort of remake of Ocarina of Time (best game of all time ^-^) but the way they're headed works out. Navi the fairy making a grand entrance (yay!)....It brings back memories [ hey! hey! listen!...navi would say to get Link's attention...] Ack! I cant write anymore....gotta dig out the N64 and relieve the memories. Man I sound old!

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