Xbox 360 Xenos GPU shrinks to 65nm this fall

There are some real idiots in here. Frig. Microsoft will NOT sell an Ultimate 360 when 65nm chips come out. They don't even WANT people to follow the chip changes because it causes idiots like you to wait.

And don't you f***in DARE complain about the Elite! The only f***in reason the Elite was made was because of all the whiners that NEED HDMI, WANT a black console, or a bigger HD. For all Microsoft's faults this is NOT one of them. They are filling demand because before the Elite was announced people were bitching like crazy that they didn't have HDMI. People seemed to think HDMI was god and required and would somehow improve their games. Hmmm sounds kinda like all this 65nm bulls**t. I won't be suprised if Microsoft does actually create a 65nm Ultimate system with all the whiners here.

F**K YOU, go read a book. You obviously don't know s**t.

"360 is still a uber PS2....at $399 for the premium, it's wayyy overpriced"

I just don't know where to start...how can you possibly make an arguement like this? Play GTAIII on a PS2 on a widescreen...then hook up Saints Row...

yeah...

The chips will run cooler and MS will save money due to better yields but it won't run make your games run better (the clock speed will be locked to the same speed as 'outdated' 90nm cpus).

People waiting for 65nm chips are silly. Would you wait for the 45nm chips or the 32nm chips then? Or when 22nm process becomes available in 5 years time?

@ Cassidy...

Hold on now....how many revisions did the PS2 have? Seriously...why are any of you bitching and whining about a revision?? That is what electronics are about. If you are going to bitch and whine about that make sure you lodge your compalints against HD tv's. For every year that passes....some sort of upgrade is abound. I remember when the PS2 didn't come with the adapter. Had to buy it seperate. Year later ... slim line PS2 with a built in adapter. This is part of consoles and PC's. For every upgrade on a video card...there will be another in 6 months. IT is almost guranteed.

I just want the quiet DVD Drive. This thing is silent when nothing it spinning.

@Jack of No Trades and tome711

The Ps2 saw 2 Major hardware revisions before coming state side (DVD drive was added and PCMCIA slot was scrapped as well as some minor tweaks to the circuit cards inside the unit).
Over the next 5 years, the hardware was revised 12 times before they had another major hardware revision with the slim ps2.

In total the ps2 saw 14 hardware revisions, 3 of which were major revisions, during its 5 year run. On average, that's about 1 hardware revison every 4 to 5 months.

I want to play Gears of War 2 when it comes out and I heard it won't work on the 90nm ones.



YOU HEARD WRONG....

I will wait for the 360 II at the end of 2008. Mark my words. 360 II at the end of 2008

Don't feed the trolls Loki.

Nope, still waiting, and actually hoping for a price drop. The problem with this news is that most of us have been led to believe that a number of the 360's issues are tied to the amount of power and heat generated. By utilizing chips with a 65nm core, we expect the machine use less power, generate less heat and be more stable than ANY of the versions prior.

No matter how many people say their 360 worked since launch, we know what RROD means and we're leery that Microsoft's product may not meet our reliability standards the way it is currently manufactured. It's an image Microsoft did little to mitigate. Unfortunately, this was not information Microsoft could easily hide, since many of us gamers know how to tell the difference, but it absolutely effects our buying decisions.

The xbox 360 is a notoriously unreliable piece of technology. It's known to run at an extremely hot temperature and the best theory available is that the system's heat eventually results in the hardware failures.

Since the three CPUs are the GPU responsible for much of this heat, and since smaller chips generate less heat than a larger chips of otherwise equal functionality is it any wonder people are outraged that the new Elite doesn't have these chips? Do we really need the Scooby Gang to figure out the mystery on why people care about the inner components of the 360 while not caring about the guts of other consoles?

I live in Florida and enjoy living without the AC as much as possible. I would much rather have a 360 that runs cooler than one that's hotter than the surface of the sun even if reliability wasn't an issue.

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GJM, nice to hear from you today. How's things? Always nice to hear from my fans. LOL.

Reading this, I'm convinced gaming sites are created to keep idiots off the street.

It's just a new chip. Consoles get them all the time to cut costs and make the systems more reliable. Early adopters always get the versions with the most problems (dur) but, shock horror, they get to play the game thing before the more wary. Whoever said "oh I'm glad I got a PS3" needs the stupid kicked out of them, because they are playing the earliest incantation of that system. Wii owners are different because they are using tried and tested last gen tech (shut up, you are, get over it).

Also to all those that are forever holding on to their money, there will always be a cheaper and better system tomorrow. Always. Sure you can wait till the price comes down or the hardware is worth getting, that's cool, but if you just wait until you get the very best 360 or whatever, it'll be the end of the genaration. By then you'll be waiting for the next system to come out.

Trust me, as a PC gamer, you can always wait until tomorrow, but there will always be something bigger and better to hold off for. If you do you'll be waiting forever. So cough up the dosh, sit down, play and STFU!

Matthew, MS more than acknowledged the problem, they extended the warranty and reimbursed people retroactively. and the 360 you buy today already isnt the 360 you got in 2005.

RRoD is something Sony's paid internet team (sony are pioneers in this) and their legion of game-starved fanboys write about non-stop while their PS3s fold@home.


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I'm pondering bagging an X360 1337 in q4 2007. This manifesto is contingent upon the X360 and/or 1337 receiving a rejuvenating die shrink to get rid of that heat. Nonetheless, reports are coming in from the intertubes that people are beginning to get burned by the 1337's Red ROD. I've never seen a Red ROD in person nor do I want to see one specially on my own machine.

I believe the more inexplicable and erratic rrod's were caused by heat causing the Xenos and Xenon to "settle" into a lower position, because the adhesive holding them in place would melt

Thus; this should significantly reduce read rings of death....

I don't understand. Does this mean they are now going to be releasing a new smaller 360?

So, the Elite is a regular ole 360 then? What a POS.. the RRoD are gonna look great against that matt-black finish.

So, what are the new 65nm 360s going to be called? XBOX 360 ELITE MAX?

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no just revisions dummy

Uh guys, this is inevitable with every console. You may think your SNES, PS1, PS2, xbox, NES, etc. never changed from day one. But they do. All consoles get smaller, cheaper, and better innards as the technology ages. Manufacturers would be retarded not to improve their product and make the manufacturing cheaper. It is how all electronics evolve, always. Stop acting like you are ignorant tards and didn't expect this.

Hey, why buy a Wii or PS3 now when you know the chipsets will be smaller and cooler in a couple of years? Why buy an HDTV? Why buy any high tech electronic ever? Why? Because you want it and it is worth the extra to you to have it sooner and for longer.

Seriously, anyone who isn't stupid knew before MS even designed the 360 that it would come out with larger, hotter, more expensive, and less advanced chips. They play the same games exactly the same. They are just cheaper for MS to manufacture and consume less power/generate less heat. Don't equate this to PC gaming, different SKU's, or add-ons required for certain games, because it is not and making such claims only demonstrates how little you actually know.

Really -- why do people care what SIZE chips are in their consoles? It's not going to run any faster or have any better graphics. It might run a little cooler (although the monster ATI chips probably generate the most heat), and it'll be a little cheaper for MS to manufacture.

So the consumer impact is....?

I want a Xbox 360 so bad, but I'm gonna try to wait until I get a price drop and the 65nm chips are out in them 360's.

LOL who the hell cares if its 65nm or 90nm... ITS JUST SO THEY CAN SAVE COST ON THE CONSOLES YOU IDIOTS!

The damn console will work the same as the older 360's theirs absolutely no difference at all! Gears plays fine on ANY 360 as well as any other games...

The only damn 360's that had issues with overheating were the morons that put it inside a closed cabinet and expected it to work, or had the early 2005 first string releases and even then it was only a random assortment.

So what the hell are the whining on here about?

The damn 65nm isnt a new SKU it isnt some new feature for the 360, its just a MINOR HARDWARE REVISION.... i say minor because its not affecting the usage of the 360 AT ALL!

In the end the 65nm wont even be quieter most likely maybe a hint, but not noticibly, and the fact is only certain models of the 360 dvd drives cause noise, me and 6 of my friends all got hitachis and their damn quiet... my brother got one of the others its louder ya, but still unless your an idiot that plays gears or rainbow six with the volume set very low, i dont see how its an issue. They gave you wireless remotes stop sitting next to the damn console!

OH AND PS3 Fanboys, lets see... the 20gb model has already been obsoleted after 3 months, the 60gb is about to be obsoleted, and a new 80gb version released (still less than the 120gb for the elite)

Not to mention sony has the same 65nm plan set out for the cell chips for the ps3, and in their case as well its a cost benefit only NOT PERFORAMNCE!

If your sole decision on which console to buy is dictated by "too many SKUs" then you're a fool and you're picking a console for the wrong reasons. Just do five minutes of research and pick the best one for you. People make it sound like there's a billion varieties of 360's to choose from.

There's THREE. Maybe FOUR. Oh no! Better call out the engineers to explain the differences to me!

I'll wait.

The new chips probably won't affect noise, since most of that comes from the disc drive.

For me, it's about reliability. I'm not going to pay $400 for a system that might not last a year. I'd also like a smaller power brick. By some miracle, will the new 360 have an internal power supply? That would be very nice.

As for you people laughing at the Red Light, please note that the Wii suffers death from overheating, too -- while turned off, no less. For such conservative hardware, that is an engineering embarrassment. All companies ride right up to the edge if profit is at stake.

This is funny. I don't know who there's more of: People complaining their "old" 360's are being outdated, or people yelling at each other for being "stupid" about complaining that their "old" 360's are being outdated.

Do game consoles get newer H/W as technology ages? Yes.
Do some people want the latest and greatest? Yes.
Do some people need an outlet to mock another's intelligence from behind the great veil of anonymity we call the Internet? Yes.
Will the new 65 nm chips play anything the 90 nm chips don't? No.

To those of you whose consoles have justifiably been affected by overheating, yes it would make sense to want a newer-cooler-quieter CPU. But just because you read it on the internet doesn't mean it's true; not all 360's were built to bust.

Oh, and building the powerbrick into the box? If, in fact, there were an epidemic of overheating, wouldn't this merely serve to compound the issue? My GCN uses a brick and its not hindered me any.

Oh well. To each their own.

Hey everyone I have a question for all of you.
I have never owned a 360 but i really want to buy one since i can afford to now. Would you advice me to buy a core right now or put off and wait yet another couple of months for this new elite...IS it worth it?

You need to see the video on my website where they tear down the ELITE and show you the differences between the 360 and the elite.
The elite is almost exactly like the 360.

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