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Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:25AM (Unverified) said

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It's weird how lax they are before something happens and when it does happen, they gain a huge tendency to overreact.

Yes, this country is really going down the toilet.

Posted: May 3rd 2007 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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Well if you think your own country is bad then maybe you ought to try Canada for a change (if you think the grass is greener, go to the other side)... No country is free in the world... of course, if you want to look at this from a worldly perspective go ahead.

Blame Satan... even though he doesn't need the credit for our own stupidity (we foil ourselves without that devils help sometimes)... And of course you can go blaming people with real faith and God because you have no respect for higher authority... what is this world coming to anyway?

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:31AM Crono141 said

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"I understand that the school is a semi-private entity that operates under it's rules and isn't bound by Constitutional law."

Actually, it is. This is demostrated by the Supreme Court ruling (on a free speech issue) that "Students don't leave their constitutional rights at the door" when entering a school. I think the ACLU should most definitely be contacted about this and a lawsuit filed. They should also get a judge to force the school to let him walk at graduation pending the results of the suit.

I'm not going to call for anybody to lose their jobs over this, but the school board acted inappropriately. Its akin to "shoot first, ask questions later". That form of justice went out a long time ago.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:37AM (Unverified) said

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I have a really strong feeling this has nothing to do with the kid being Asian. The mother that reported him was someone whos child was playing the map, so her distress probably came when recognizing the school, not after already being concerned enough to ask the name of the creator. A knee-jerk reaction is to label this as racism.

Another point that was already brought out - you can't call the kid an idiot, because everyone did this and he did it BEFORE the VT shooting, so that would make all of us who made our schools in Doom 1 just as much of "idiots" as he is.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:00PM jsmrekar said

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the reality is he filled the map with terrorist bots and attempted to prevent a hostile take over.

This boy is a hero and when he hears the words "Counter-Terrorists Win!" he finds contentment.

p.s. made maps of my schools and colleges too. Doom, Duke 3d and Counter strike

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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@ jdb

innocent till proven guilty huh, i wish i knew what that was like, here in Massachusetts and Rhode Island you are not innocent till proven guilty, i even brought that up at the Attleboro MA court house and literally got laughed at, i think it has something to do with being a commonwealth state here in MA not sure what the deal is in RI.


@ hegemonyhog

Thank you, i hate when people claim to know everything about something when its obvious they don't know shit.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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*late to the game*

I agree with you Jack of No Trades.

Nothing pisses me off more than music that disrespects women.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:46AM (Unverified) said

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Blizz4l9

When rap became mainstream it became all about being a g, riding dubs, cappin people, disrespecting women and selling drugs. For some reason this is all cool to the ignorant young generation. 95% of rap has this shit. The other 5% never get famous besides Common but he still raps about lame shit.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:48AM sand0789 said

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You guys are over-reacting. He made a map of his school for a shooting game and showed everyone. Some people got scared and called the police. The police had no choice but to arrest him and investigate. They found he hadn't commited a crime and likely won't press charges. If you want to get mad, get mad at the people that reported him.

People here trying to say this is evidence of our Stalinesk future and blah blah blah are simply ignorant of the world. Way to try to force news stories into arguments for you ultra-liberal views. Of the 300 million Americans, how many are arrested and imprisoned over something bogus like this? How many are killed by toppling vending machines? Get your heads out of the clouds. For the police to be able to do their jobs, some of us will be inconvenienced. It has always been that way. Only the way we report it and sensationalize it has changed.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:55AM (Unverified) said

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"God created the idiot for practice, and then he created the School Board."

-Mark Twain

Sums this situation up nicely, IMO.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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"Students don't leave their Constitutional Rights at the door"

It;s a rather famous case about high school students protesting by wearing black bands on their upper arms. The school decreed that they had o remove them, and expelled several students who did not. It made it's way to the Supreme Court who decided that the students were in no violation of any law, but that, in fact, the school board was in violation of the Constitution.

I made a model of my house and my girlfriends house in Blender and Maya. Was I going to go and shoot my family and hers? NO. I did it to see what she thought, and because, as many have said, work with what you know...

Posted: May 2nd 2007 11:55AM (Unverified) said

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"Poisoned Al" wrote:
> And Americans still think they live in a free country.

Not all of us.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:05PM (Unverified) said

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So many of you on here are complaining about a student who has enough knowledge to make a 3D graphics map on a computer and game on it, well befor the V. Tech incident, remarkable. 'Parent' is by far the most ridicuolus of the bunch. What are you going to do next with your kids? Maybe shave their heads and tattoo a bar code on their forehead? Your stupidity is going to make your kids Sheeple. Dress them in bright orange clothes as not to bring attention to themselves. See the logic there cupcake?

Maybe, just maybe, someone like Garmin should be hiring this kid to make more realistic maps on their GPS units.

If everyone is offended all the time, which means they have their nose in everyones business, how can you not see YOU are the problem and not those around you. People want to hang up a sign about how good their kids did in school, but someone got offended and called the police, and filed a law suit. All because their kids suck at school and think the next door kid is a homo because he gets better grades. What in the world are you teaching your kids? Maybe how to conform and not let others live happily, which is protected to us Americans by the Bill of Rights.

I think this where most parents get their thinking confused. They forgot about a simple piece of paper that made this a country. They forgot the finer meaning in life. All they think now is they need to be safe and have freedoms of their own. You can not give up your liberties (freedom) and be safe. Safety on a global scale is an illusion, and once you see it as such then you will be free.

Let this poor kid be and let him be him. I geuss I should be arrested for running around with cap guns with my friends and shooting each other in the cornfields. Maybe I should be arrested for thinking safety being used to give up liberties is crap. Or maybe I am the one that should be commended for speaking my mind!!!

There is only one race, the Human Race. The rest is Ethnical Background. Get it right! Don't be a Sheeple any longer!!!

Posted: May 2nd 2007 6:49PM (Unverified) said

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Are you Fucken Kidding me. Weather the kid is a Psycho or the kid is just a Kid - He did nothing wrong. Map editors for First person shooters have been around since 1990's for every FPS game ever. People have made maps of everything from schools to work buildings to their own homes and people have played the maps with others as well as those who have created them time and time again. Now im not hearless and I feel for the people of the VT shooting - but lets not get parinoid here. This student has done NOTHING WRONG and socitiy today is using the video game scapegoat and using it to hurt other people - GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION. This is wrong and this is Illegal. I don't care if this child Made this map, played this map, gave it to his friends, or EVEN POPULATED with enemys that looked like other students. Any Child that has the TIME, Talent, Knowhow and ability to use a PC map editior - is not a threat but a creative talent that needs to be encouraged to take his skill and become better at it. It's people with talents like this student who go on and become great game and level designers - or atleast have a creative outlet other than DRUGS, SEX, DRINKING, HANGINGOUT LATE, ect.... The fact that any action or label has been placed on this kid should be ILLEGAL and is deffently WRONG. I hope this Family sues everyone and wins. I think the police are 100% wrong in their classification, their search (concent or no concent) and that the school and the parent complaining about this should shut up and keep their opinions to theirself and stop using national tragedys to pin a label on someone doing something 100% LEGAL and protected by law and the constution and just back off. If this was my kid - there would be hell to pay and I would probibly use this opportnity to try and help my kid profit from his Map level abilitys and use BAD PUBLICITY LIKE THIS to market and sell his maps to every First person shooter player in the world. I probibly would encourage him to make maps of every other school building he could do and make a combined map pack. This was just be the FUCK YOU factor to all of this. This country is getting too parinoid. TO all you video game haters out there - FUCK YOU - it's just a game and it is a creative outlet for millions of people every day. Stop listing to people like JACKass Thompson and other like him who make games out to be the enemy of every child and psycho alike. Stop using talented people and minorties as scapegoats and stop accusing falsely of crimes that are not there. If I was this child parent I would fight to get my kid back at his regular school ASAP and he will graduate with his friends - even if it means a peaceful protest at graduation. I would gladly show up with my friends, gaming buddies and co-workers that game to picket that graduation for this child/student - he has rights too - banning him from graduation is wrong and unwarrented. If i was this kid - SHOW UP ANYWAYS, and don't leave until you get your name annoced and are handed a diploma with all your friends - and when you shake your principals hand and receive that paper - hand him a CD ROM of you map of his school and hold it to the sky as people cheer for you and stick it to everyone with a big FUCK YOU. You did NOTHING WRONG. You are to be celebrated for your talent and ambition.

Kris K

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:10PM The Cynical Gamer said

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Well, I just got off the phone with the ACLU in Texas. It seems that they might be interested in this story and I sent them a copy of the article with a link. Charging this kid with "terroristic threats" is just mind-boggling. I am really tired of the "lemming-itis" this country has. Of course, since I'm speaking bad about the country, I'm just "emboldening the enemy"!

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:24PM (Unverified) said

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A correction:

Fort Bend is the county. The city is Sugar Land a large suburb on the southwest side of Houston.

For those commenting about Texas. I live about fifteen minutes from there. Houston, and especially Sugar Land is populated with the same milk toast scared with people of any middle class community. This could happen anywhere. Don't generalize the entire state, generalize the entire country and social class.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:37PM (Unverified) said

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

-Benjamin Franklin

Here's the thing, no one's going to see this comment but it needs to be said: If all of you are so upset, do something besides tearing at each other on a video game blog. This has nothing to do with games, it just happened to be a game that sparked it. Write your local newspapers, write national newspapers, call any number you can find for TV news networks. Be heard, because frankly, we won't be heard on here.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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"The price of freedom".... hmm.. i remember that phrase. That was the price all our grandfathers paid right?

Still, i'm much happier now that we have decided that freedom isn't worth the price.

Who cares if we have cameras on every corner, wiretap every conversation, and detention without trial? Not me. I'd rather not have freedom if it means a few people might have the chance to do something stupid, thanks..

Posted: May 2nd 2007 12:54PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think you guys get it ,it's not about the picture so much ,but what was done with it, because the sad truth is that there are copy cats out there and they will jump at a chance to do somthing bigger and better , so for me I would be afraid also and can't blame them for jumping on this one. I think if someone posted my kids school on the net in full detail then I would feel the need to report it to.This is not to say it won't happen again or doing what there doing will stop anyone ,but what else can we do ??? Lets all pray and get are country back .

Posted: May 2nd 2007 1:01PM (Unverified) said

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Anyone remember the UC Berkeley level from Tony Hawk 4?

I now fear a murderous rampage of ollies and corporate brand sponsoring.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 3:55PM (Unverified) said

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this is so stoopid. I also mapped my school in quake 2 back in the days. I used to camp on the cafeteria, which you could only reach with a rocket jump. harharhar

Posted: May 2nd 2007 1:12PM (Unverified) said

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Re: #18 @ Saul - What do you mean a 'new kind'? This racism has always been present in our (American) culture. It's a sad fact that a lot of us are too quick to jump to conclusions based on the color of skin. I really hope that some day we can grow out of this as a culture, but I know those hopes are extreme.

As far as the boy, I feel horrible for him and insulted as a fellow gamer. I've never made my own maps, but I've certainly thought about it and planned preliminary maps in my head about using offices, storefronts, malls, etc. Does that make me a terrorist?

I hope that someone cracks down on this unconstitutional bull-sh*t.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 1:26PM (Unverified) said

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"dem come for the rasta and you say nothing
dem come for the muslims you say nothing
dem come for the anti-globalist you say nothing
dem even come for the liberals and you say nothing
dem come for you and will speak for you?
who will speak for you"

- Asian Dub Foundation, Round-Up

Posted: May 2nd 2007 1:35PM (Unverified) said

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Thank God he did´nt have a saw in his room without a license.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 1:48PM (Unverified) said

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t_m wrote,

"Still, i'm much happier now that we have decided that freedom isn't worth the price.

Who cares if we have cameras on every corner, wiretap every conversation, and detention without trial? Not me. I'd rather not have freedom if it means a few people might have the chance to do something stupid, thanks."

You know, it is comments like this that really and truly scare me more than anything I can imagine. Goddess help us if our children or our children's children wind up beliving this with every fiber of their being since we will then have a real-life version of V for Vendetta: U.S. edition. *shudder*

Thank goodness my brother has already agreed to pull my niece and nephew out of school and do home schooling if their school ever turns into something like this. Take your frigging brainwashing elsewhere we'd like our future to be something more than Sheeple thankyouverymuch.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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"IF you dont have a solid understanding of the American Legal system dont comment - go read a book and the Consitution and then I'll listen to you.

Posted at 10:11AM on May 2nd 2007 by Paul"

Most people here seem to understand that what was done, was technically legal according to the "Consitution", as you say . That's not the issue. The inherent problem is that the knee-jerk paranoia overrided any sense of logical process. Instead of slowly examining the situation, authorities acted overly-expediently given the fact that the kid was asian and the map involved was in a video game.

Oh, and Jack of No Trades - if you're using Chingy as a display of your hip hop "knowledge", you just created a lot of awkward silence from the true hip hop head here, who are trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or not. You just gave yourself as much street cred as a 5th grade white kid from Bakersfield.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:27PM (Unverified) said

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I think this should get some national attention just to show how ignorant people can get. I'd be working on my way of getting them fired for racial profiling.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:25PM (Unverified) said

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Ha, this kid's going to be able to have a pretty good lawsuit against the school when it's done. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasonings behind kicking him out of school was "technology abuse." Two years ago I had a website up which was made on my own time, hosted on my own servers, and never edited/logged into from school and I was kicked out for "technology abuse" because they didn't agree with what was on it. They even had the police open an investigation into me over "own3d" pictures hahahaha, you gotta love the US school system.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah my friend and I recreated our Japanese class and the daily events with either the nerds, the jocks, the chinese students that laughed at everything cuz they don't like anything Japanese. The walking outside to get a smoke. And of course Hall-sensei who screamed and yelled at anyone who made a mistake (which was funny cuz my friend and I barely made mistakes). We built it in RPG Maker, it was hilarious. Gave it to this Korean guy who was in the class too.

This guy should have known better though. I mean he should know that playing a game that is set in your school where you mow people down may have ramifications. It doesn't even matter about the timing. I think before VT:M happened this would still have been taken seriously. That's the college private sector for you, be careful what you create.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:46PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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@127

Does it matter he wsa mowing down Al Queda?

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:50PM (Unverified) said

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@Sergio Tapia.

He didn't make the map after VTech, the school, however, only had a problem with it after VTech, the map itself was older than that.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:55PM (Unverified) said

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The game was Hello Kitty Island Adventures.

The world isn’t a safe place for Sanrio.

All joking aside, I hope he sues and wins, since this is America. Its not like he modeled the characters after his teachers. I always saw counter-strike as a modern day game of Cops and Robbers. The kid lives in Texas of all places…

Denny Crane!

Posted: May 2nd 2007 2:59PM Altairio said

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A freakin hammer? Seriously? This from the state that gives away a gun with every happy meal.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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I live in Fort Bend and attend a high school in the same district as Clements. I can say that Clements is a primarily asian school and all the schools around here are extremely tight on security.

I got suspended for a day for opening up internet explorer and typing "www.google.com" in the address bar. My teacher said I was breaking a school rule by violating the Acceptable Use Policy and print screened my computer, which depicted my typing in the address bar (while the browser was still eve on the school homepage).

Also, in middle school I had a friend get suspended for several days for typing "kill" in the google search bar. And to think, he didn't even hit enter!

It's completely ridiculous and the school board around here sucks.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 3:11PM (Unverified) said

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I live in Fort Bend and attend a high school in the same district as Clements. I can say that Clements is a primarily asian school and all the schools around here are extremely tight on security.

I got suspended for a day for opening up internet explorer and typing "www.google.com" in the address bar. My teacher said I was breaking a school rule by violating the Acceptable Use Policy and print screened my computer, which depicted my typing in the address bar(while the browser was still eve on the school homepage).

Also, I had a friend get suspended for several days for typing "kill" in the google search bar. And to think, he didn't even hit enter!It's completely ridiculous and the school board around here sucks.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 3:20PM Odog4ever said

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This is ignorance and racism at it ugliest.

The boy's family will sue, and they will win. Plain and simple. Hopefully they use the money to move out of their ass-backwards town/state.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 3:57PM (Unverified) said

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It's nice to see the school I graduated from (class of '01) in the headlines.
I really doubt it had anything to do with the kids race. When I graduated, about 50% of my graduates were of asian descent. Even though it is in texas, and I'm sure y'all are well aware of the stereotypes, it was a pretty diversified school. With the exception of black students.
My little brother still goes there, so I know it hasn't changed too much from my days there.
It really is in the heart of upper-middle class suburbia. Almost borderline lower-upper class. The neighborhood Sweetwater is literally just down the street from the high school, and every house there starts off at a minimum of a million dollars.
It's probably just a case of paranoid suburbanites, with too much time on their hands.

The kid was just arrested. He wasn't convicted, hasn't been sentenced, so there really isn't anything to get all upset about. Part of prosecuting a case like this is proving intent. They have to prove that he intended to commit terrorist acts, or intended to do harm to the school. If they can't prove his intent, or means to commit the crime, the charges will more than likely get dropped.
If (or when) the charges get dropped, there wouldn't be a reason to forbid him from attending his graduation ceremony. I knew quite a few kids that got arrested from that very school, that still attended their graduation. And the charges against them were not dropped.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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This is just another reason to prove that the "war on terror" is a big fucking joke.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 5:04PM (Unverified) said

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Oh no! I made my house in the Sims, and then I fought with my neighbors!!! I hope no one arrests me!

Posted: May 2nd 2007 4:41PM SergeantGrumbles said

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Long time reader here at Joystiq, but I've never commented til now. I went to Clements as well (graduated '04). As others have said, as much as it may seem as racism, Clements has a very large asian population. When I was in English class, I was one of six non-asian kids there. The city itself is over a third asian. But really this whole thing is unbelievable. Its not like a map of the school is anything all that extraordinary. They had it in the front of the daily planner they gave to everyone.

I suppose we should be glad that a parent is finally paying attention to what their kids are up to, but what high schooler needs monitoring? Some of the people in Sugar Land just make me laugh, theyre just so dumb.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 5:00PM (Unverified) said

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He didn't make this map right after Virginia Tech. It was couple months back and he got ratted out right after Virginia Tech since I suppose couple students have been talking about it and he had a website on it and everything.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 5:52PM (Unverified) said

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Seriously, there's only one thing that needs to be said here:

Counter-Terrorists WIN!

Posted: May 2nd 2007 6:24PM (Unverified) said

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lol! that's awesome hahaha yet crazy tho

Posted: May 3rd 2007 9:13AM (Unverified) said

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Yea... this is total bullshit.
I want the detective / administrator in charge fired. PRONTO. What a bunch of bull shit. What this kid does in his free time is none of their concern. And as started b4; kudos to him for learning a new skill. I've made plenty of CS:S maps base on real world locations... everyone has! It's the best way to get exp. with an editor; mapping something that is already layed out for you. And, they wont let him walk at graduation?!?!? WTF FOR!? I WANT ANSWERS. I'M FUCKING PISSED. FUCK YOU FORT BEND ISD.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 6:30PM (Unverified) said

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I'm sorry, I misread the article. He wasn't even charged or arrested. Only suspended and placed in BLC (behavior learning center, or A-School).

It's a matter of a parent or two and the school going overboard in wake of the Virginia Tech massacre. It's a shame he will miss his graduation ceremony in light of the incident. It probably wasn't the smartest thing for him to do, but hardly worth placing him in a-school and missing out on graduation. I hope once the media catches wind of the incident and publicizes it, the school board will see things in a different light.

I know some of y'all may be quick to jump on the "racist" bandwagon, but please don't. I am 100% sure whether the student was asian, white, black or middle eastern, the school officials would have reacted the same.
Just because it happened in Texas, and the person was a minority, does not automatically qualify it as racism.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 6:34PM (Unverified) said

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@ Jack of No Trades

- WFT are you talking about? You've not said anything worth reading yet! Common, Snoop and that corny-ass Chingy are all mainstream BS! You say 95% of rap is crap, but your only points of comparison are the mainstream crap-artists. Expand a bit before commenting on the rap topic.

@ polly
"A freakin hammer? Seriously? This from the state that gives away a gun with every happy meal."

- CLASSIC!!!!!

He didn't do anything wrong! I've done it, as have many other's who've posted here. It's not a crime no matter what "ERA" we live in today. People need to stop being so freakin' paranoid! We're all gonna die some day, in some unknown way, so stop worrying about how and just accept the fact!

Posted: May 2nd 2007 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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@ Jack of No Trades
"Its better to be safe than sorry. Who knows what that kid was planning. It could have been just for fun because he loves to model. If my kids were in that school I wouldn't take any chances. If it looks suspicious then investigate."

What he did is no more suspicious now than it was back when level editors became available to gamers. You're in the same league as those paranoid soccer-moms and desperate housewives. This was a huge miscarriage of justice. All he did was make a game level based off of his school which, as stated previously, has been out there months before the VT tragedy. There's no relation and no threat! If you're that suspicious/paranoid, then home-school your kids.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 7:03PM (Unverified) said

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It's the new McCarthyism!!!
The Dawn of the Mapmaking Scare.

I saw so and so playing CS on their pc with a map of their workplace!!! lynch him!

I happen to have a list of over 200 people that play fps games with maps of public places.

Posted: May 2nd 2007 7:21PM (Unverified) said

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@ Kris k

(clap, clap, clap) Kris k for President!!!!!!!

I agree with you 150%!!

Posted: May 3rd 2007 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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I love how this turns into being a "America sucks, America is living a lie."

Of course America is in the pooper, do you think your country is not as well? If you think your country is excelent then you have problems. Let me say this: There is a diffrence between patriotism and ignorant faith.

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