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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:08AM Temidien said

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Like anything else, if he is portrayed in a *tasteful* manner pertaining to his career as a musician, I don't understand how anyone could be upset by his likeness being used in a video game celebrating a genre of music he was a part of. Now if his avatar is used in silly story elements, I could understand the outrage.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:17AM sonicspike41 said

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He can be used to play any song from any of the bands in the list. You can have him sing along to metal, pop, or any of the other genres of music included.

It's actually a little funny after seeing videos of it on youtube.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:32AM (Unverified) said

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You can have him sing "SHOT through the heart, and you're to blame, you give love..a bad name". :(
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 4:52AM Ridgecity said

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He is considered a legend, and as a non-living legend, he will have every type of merchandising they can profit from with his face all over it.

All old grungers here are angry at this, sometimes, us fans idolize these people and make a cartoon out of them, "they would never sell out like this, dude, they have dignity" while Courtney love made a ton of money for it and the other Nirvana members seem to be ok with him being a playable character, as long as you can only play with him on their songs. The moment you are making your first demo song, you are ready to sell out, once you see it from he inside, you may grow some balls and have some opinions, but only a few are willing to risk their lives of glamour for their fans.

And sadly, you guys seem to believe Nirvana was against mercantilism yet sold t-shirts, stickers, notebooks, posters, coffee mugs, bobble heads, made music videos, payed their respects to MTV by appearing in their shows, everytime they could, and demanding sponsored tours that took a big toll in their lifes in exchange for buckets of money. here's form the Beavi and Butthead wikipedia page:

"Nirvana's Kurt Cobain is said to have been ecstatic at having the video for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" praised by Beavis and Butt-head, and deemed it a great compliment. Indeed, even when drummer Dave Grohl's next band, Foo Fighters, was reviewed (the song was I'll Stick Around), the two were positive about the song because Grohl "was the drummer from that band, Nirvana" (though they repeatedly mispronounced their name as "Nivarna")".

If you wanna see an example of a rock band sticking it to the man search "Pearl Jam", they sacrificed their careers because they stood up against the business.conglomerate profiting from them, funny that same page of Beavis and Butthead mentions this:

"Beavis and Butt-head seemed to be fans of most of the Seattle Grunge bands of the era; including Alice in Chains, Nirvana, and Soundgarden (but notably, they never viewed any Pearl Jam videos). Four videos by Alice in Chains and Soundgarden were featured on the show with notable praise from the duo, two Nirvana videos were also featured."

At least that's my opinion, we grungers are already hitting 30s and 40s, I'm already semi-insane in the membrane.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 9:04PM rahmenxnoodles69 said

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Not to leech off your comment or anything man but I want as many people to see this as possible.

ATTENTION FANS OF NIRVANA AND KURT COBAIN

Kurt Cobain never committed suicide.

Go to www.cobaincase.com and support Tom Grant.

We need this case reopened, there was too much corruption and negligence surrounding the initial investigation. Evidence proves that suicide was impossible.

Please do something to support the reopening, people.

This is a 15 year old travesty of justice.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 6:13AM Haggard said

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You can't say that just because there isn't absolutely conclusive evidence towards suicide that he didn't. Sure, it's a little weird and everything, but it's still a possibility that he just did what everyone thought he did.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:12AM (Unverified) said

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sell the contract for food, he is truely missed
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 10:06AM Nap said

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I see what you did there
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:14AM whylekat said

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I think it's mainly cause how publicly adoment Cobain always was about "the man" and selling out to "the system."
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:27AM eipxen said

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I think Cobain was, in general, more vocal about his distaste for various things, where Hendrix was not well known for vitriol. Where Kurt was against anything he thought, for lack of a better term, "phony," he was also publicly opposed to Nirvana's ideas and images being used in ways he thought were wrong (perhaps this is an extreme, but people raping a woman while singing "Polly" purportedly got to him)

Honestly... I think the fault may be with Courtney Love, who seems to use the rights to Nirvana's catalogue more freely than some would like (though it does not seem out of character, and ironically the perverted way in which Nirvana is now used in media, along with Nirvana fans' anger, is almost appropriate); I myself was a bit disappointed when "Breed" was in "Shoot 'em Up," despite liking both the movie and the song. I certainly did not like hearing it in a baseball game commercial.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:15AM Jonny said

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Kotick laughs at your silly lawsuit.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:03PM Warning Personal Opinion Has Be said

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Ha...
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:16AM Tiptup300 said

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you could only play jimi hendrix songs with jimi
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:22AM Apollo26 said

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That's what I don't understand, truly.

If the Jimi Hendrix estate had it their way to secure hendrix in only his songs, why didn't Love do the same with Kurt?
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:28AM eipxen said

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I wouldn't really mind playing other guitar-based songs with Jimi though; he's pretty famous for, among other things, just being really goddamn good at guitar.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:35AM (Unverified) said

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1) you could only play jimi hendrix songs with jimi

2) Nirvana is almost as famous for their grunge image associated with fighting the man and hating selling out as they are for their music. It's even arguable that Nirvana's sudden rise to fame and commercial success is largely what led to the singer's eventual suicide.

That's why this resonates so loudly with fans.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 4:52AM (Unverified) said

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Kurt did sell out. He purposefully changed album art just so Wall Mart would carry it, because he was afraid kids wouldn't be able to listen to his music otherwise.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 10:49PM Emblazin said

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@ Bob

When did "selling out" become "Not extreme album art?" Who gives a shit its album art!
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:46AM Kyattsuai said

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It is now Courtney Love's duty to completely drain Activision.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 1:50AM ArchiGamer said

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A crazy bitch sucking off the complete dick that is Kotick?



We want to ruin him, not give him a reward.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:02PM Warning Personal Opinion Has Be said

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Go fuck yourself.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 2:01AM Enosoma said

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Excellent headline.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 2:06AM CrissCross87 said

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Love vs Kotick

kinda reminds of the tagline for Alien vs Predator "Whoever Wins, We Lose"

I just don't get her problem about being vocal once the game comes out. probably some kind of publicity stunt. That, or she is a crazy bitch
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 2:15AM (Unverified) said

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Kurt Cobain was fully against selling out. If he were alive today i don't believe he would have even wanted his character in the game in the first place. This is why fans and (even though i hate) Courtney Love are getting upset.

I think this is Courtney Loves fault anyways. Shes the one that read and signed the contract. She prolly just wanted the money, so she singed away Kurts image. Now that the games out so fans and former band mates see that Kurt is in the game and now are upset over it, Courtney will take their side so she can protect HER image, or whats left of it.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 6:43PM WarrenEBB said

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Isn't it to some degree Activision/neversoft's fault for BUILDING IT INTO THE GAME?

I'm suprised everyone is angry at Courtney Love, who likely doesn't play these games and didn't know what was possible.

People should furious with the game's creators for having no respect for the artists they're portraying.

it's weird to me that everyone seems to be saying "ah, well, guitar hero has no soul. you know, whatever. they're like a mad dog, and others should keep them in check."
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 2:41AM (Unverified) said

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She either didn't fully read or didn't fully care to understand the fine print.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 2:58AM Misfit Toy said

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Bottom line is with contracts...doesn't matter if you read it or not...you signed. If you didn't read it guess whose fault that is?
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 3:56AM adavidw said

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Did you perhaps mean "defer" instead of "differ" in the third paragraph?
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 4:02AM (Unverified) said

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Kurt wouldn't have liked it, but he gave up his rights to his image when he shot himself in the face. I see no real problem with him being in the game the way it is.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:27AM JeezWhiz87 said

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Well put. +1
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 8:17AM (Unverified) said

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Well said Ryan, well said. I will go buy a $10 polo.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 8:25AM (Unverified) said

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It's funny when commenters say, "Kurt wouldn't like it" like they were butt buddies in school or something. In the end, you guys have no idea what he did or didn't want. People are even so sure that he committed suicide, but the only reason they didn't investigate it further is because they said the door to the green house was locked from the inside and they had to break the door to open it. Even though the private detective Cortney hired said it was a push button lock that could have been pushed and closed and locked that way.

After the first article here I wanted to read more about his suicide. so I went to http://justiceforkurt.com/ and read all about it. Did you know Cortney's bass played died from a heroine overdose the same day she was all packed an leaving the band? Some shit doesn't add up and I'm not the kind of person that takes things without first at least reading up about it.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 11:04AM (Unverified) said

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hey, you never know!

BUBA-HOTEP!
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 8:33AM TheDarkWayne said

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Wait wait, there are robots of Cliff and Norm?!
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:27AM ChomskyKnows said

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yep. that's the biggest thing i took out of this article. ROBOTS ARE AMONG US!
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 3:16PM bongoes said

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WINterfang, that is the coolest thing ever.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:30AM JeezWhiz87 said

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Well, no one has to worry about me besmirching Kurt's image by playing Bon Jovi with him. I'm not buying this activision drivel, and even if I did I wouldn't want to play as Kurt Cobain anyway.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:45AM Misframed said

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I'm with you... I do not want to give Activision any of my $$$...
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 9:53AM (Unverified) said

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Activision is a business, and they've been around for a while. I would assume that they wouldn't have included his likeness if they hadn't obtained the legal right to do so. If Courtney Love actually cared about this and was upset by his inclusion in the game, it would have come up shortly after she was contacted by Activision. The only reason it's coming out now is because she's only ever in the limelight because she's a crazy drug-addled whore and she'd like to win over some of the hardcore Nirvana fans who think they knew the guy.

The only reasonable people in this whole thing have been Grohl and the other guy from Nirvana who faded away shortly after Cobain died. Suggesting that he only be usable on Nirvana songs makes perfect sense, and would probably shut everybody up.

Also, he's dead. Who cares if his likeness is in a game where he's doing what he loved to do (even if he IS playing/singing songs he'd never have touched)? It's not like they put him in an American Idol game as a judge. Or had him working at a record label to manufacture new crap-pop. And, as he is dead, he no longer has an opinion, and thus does not care one way or the other about being in the game. Discussion of "he would have liked this" or "he would have hated this" is stupid and a waste of time. The point is moo.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 10:29AM Rocket Raccoon said

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Isn't Johnny Cash in this game as well?? I've barely played the game but I can imagine he would be unlockable as a character as well? And his death is quite recent. I personally hated his music but I think he should be treated with the same respect as Cobain...
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 10:31AM commonperson said

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Okay, let's clear a couple of things up. Personally I'm as displeased with the use of Johny Cash as Kurt Cobain, both of which were vehemently opposed to the exploitation of art and the "corpratization" of the industry. Now Cash did go through a pretty prolific comercial period but has been consistently more interested in message (be it human rights abuses or his Christianity since getting clean) than the commercial aspects. But a recurring theme that seems to be popping up very frequently is the concept of "selling out."

Selling out is a very dangerous term to use because what one person terms as selling out another person may not see at all. The fact of the matter regarding Kurt is he used his popularity as a spring board for his message, he was famously contrary (read up on the Rolling Stone photo shoot the band did.) Just because an artist signs with a major label does not mean they are selling out, they are trying to bring their art to an audience. You have to remember also during the 90s when Nirvana found fame this was before the prevelance of major indie labels that we find today and WELL before the distribution methods even existed to allow for it. They were signed to Sub Pop for years with little penetration in finding a wider audience. Critical success is wonderful but if you want to share your music and your message you have to find a greater voice. They did that through the deal with DGC/Geffen.

Now, this becomes a question of interpretation, is this "selling out" or is this finding a greater voice and I think in the end that comes down to a matter of respect. I mean by the time John Lennon started on his most vociferous preaching of Love and Peace not War he was already established as a famous voice and could do no wrong (it would be like if Justin Timberlake all of a sudden turned in to a peace activist.) No one considers this selling out because it was an evolution of his personality, this is the analog that Cash follows and Cash's utter disdain for the establishment has been front and centre much of his career. But then you have people like Bono to whom Cobain more acurately matches. From the start of Bono's career he's been an activist speaking out against violence and political intollerance, Cobain likewise was, from the start, outspoken. The problem here is when you try and make your message more readily available you run the risk of the "sell out" factor rearing it's ugly head.

Frankly I find the phrase one of the most silly things ever. It's wonderful to consider your self an artist and work in this closed, insular environment creating art for art's sake. But at the end without a beholder to enjoy it there is no purpose served and art without a purpose is the greatest waste of all.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 10:51AM Mr Bungo said

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As noted above, the digital Jimi Hendrix could only play on his tunes. There was no chance that we'd see something like the infamous Youtube video of the digital Cobain belting out Bon Jovi songs.

But that said, there was some amount of distaste about digital Hendrix expressed when GH: World Tour came out. There was some discussion on several forums as I recall. It was just a lot milder by far than the Cobain outcry, which is driven by things like that absurd video, and Cobain's well-known anti-corporate attitude that others have mentioned.

Frankly, I'm not a fan of dead rock stars in GH. Fake Jimi Hendrix coming out on stage just creeped me out. A deceased artist has no say in the matter, and without a bit of taste and tact on the part of the developer, the exploitation of their image can get pretty crass, as it has with Cobain. A far more palatable option is something like Beatles Rock Band, in which digital versions of John Lennon and George Harrison are presented with respect, and are only depicted singing their songs in a game that seeks to celebrate their work.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 11:30AM AZPuck98 said

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I think it has more to do with the reveal videos of the previous artists, who were doing their own songs and that's that.

The Cobain announcement, he's singing Bon Jovi and dancing around with the 360 Avatars included in game, which weren't shown in the previous videos. Now, this won't be quite the issue on the Wii and PS3, so just disable 360 Avatar use so you don't have Kurt fronting a band of cartoon midgets singing "You Give Love A Bad Name."
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 3:38PM karmaghost said

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Man, if Kurt Cobain was alive today, he'd probably want to shoot himself in the head for how they are using his image in Guitar Hero.
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 10:05PM Crono141 said

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I lol'd
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Posted: Sep 15th 2009 10:20PM Cody H said

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I think no matter what actually happened with the signing/not signing away of Cobain's image, most of us can agree that Activision and Neversoft made a poor judgment call using his likeness in this way. This was not a respectable way for someone to be remembered in a game, same goes for Cash and Hendrix and anyone else whose image is used in this fashion. I think Cobain really sticks out to us though because he is still a very relevant artist more than 15 years after his death. For a game that should be trying to honor these rock legends this shows very poor taste.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 4:14PM rruhland said

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My issue is that it's Courtney Love bringing this up like Activision is being jerks for profiting off of Cobain's likeness.

Like Courtney Love has done anything in the past 15 years besides get rich off of the Cobain estate.
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Posted: Sep 16th 2009 9:00PM rahmenxnoodles69 said

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Kurt Cobain never committed suicide.

Go to www.cobaincase.com and support Tom Grant.

We need this case reopened, there was too much corruption and negligence surrounding the initial investigation. Evidence proves that suicide was impossible.

Please do something to support the reopening, people.

This is a 15 year old travesty of justice.
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