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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:07AM Hoops said

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Wait, you're reviewing a game that you said wouldn't come out this year? How is that possible? I smell Deloreans!

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 8:24AM leemahi said

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@Hoops
comment system is so slow and laggy that people press the submit button twice.
Split/second, NfSHP or GT5 which is the one I wont get bored with within the first 2 hours?
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:40AM Jakintosh said

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@leemahi
Hot pursuit. I lost many hours the day it came out without even realizing it. By far the best in the series, probably the best arcade racer made to date. But of course, if you're into simulators, GT5 is ridiculous. I'm not into sims, but I was still able to enjoy it for quite a while yesterday. I'm going to invest in a wheel to enjoy it more, though.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:44AM TheChin said

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@leemahi I would say NFS:HP

But then again I'm a nut for Burnout.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 2:13PM CommentSystem said

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who you calling slow and laggy?
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Posted: Dec 1st 2010 10:47PM Blaze463 said

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@CommentSystem

epic win
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Posted: Dec 13th 2010 8:09AM willo1945 said

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Have already seen this at some trading sites like http://www.supaswap-makingmoney.com/ not sure what that sez about this game as its only just come out.

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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:07AM Hoops said

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Wait, you're reviewing a game that you said wouldn't come out this year? How is that possible? I smell Deloreans!

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:11AM Prboi said

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Wonder if the people who waited years for this game will find this review acceptable

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:35AM genghiskhan said

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@Prboi this review should have been released four years later. It's clearly not up to spec.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 5:24AM Finito said

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@Prboi
Well, Joystiq reviews focus more on the experience a game offers and less on detailing each and every aspect of a game. Randy paints a very sterile picture of GT5, it's the feeling he had while playing this game, which I respect. However, this review seems oddly rushed, like it had to be ready by a deadline. Online is part of the experience, without it this review feels very incomplete. The singleplayer description also feels lacking, like he only dipped his toes into everything it offers. Shouldn't you finish a game to be able to convey the experience?

Imo, Joystiq should include how long or extensively they played a game. Or just delay the review until they've played the game to completion. It's understandable that they need to publish a review as soon as possible in order to get the clicks, but the quality is suffering a little. They get away with this most of the time because most games nowadays are pretty short, but a game like GT shows this flaw clearly.

Futhermore, I don't think Gran Turismo is that niche and I disagree that it's so sim-like that the fun is only in the algorithms. There is plenty of thrill to be had.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 6:44AM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@Finito

A vast majority of the time they don't get given a copy of the game, they have to go somewhere to play it. In which case they couldn't of reviewed online as the game isn't out yet, could possibly be by the time I've postd this, so online wouldn't even be up to be able to use it.

Also the single player is detailed if you ignore that it doesn't delve into the depths of say the structure of your racing career, but the majority of joystiq reviews never do go into that much detail.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:04AM ytilanigiroon said

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@Finito
With a game like GT5 to play the game to "completion" is going to take months - if it's possible at all, even for the people who don't have school/work/significant others/family/pets/et cetera.

I feel that, generally, you can get a pretty decent idea of how a game will flesh out within the first three to four hours. By then, all of the game-play mechanics should have been introduced and the rest of the game will be just putting everything together.

This review I think paints GT5 fairly as a racing game that favors simulation over accessibility. I like the game, I don't notice anything aside from a lot of polish graphically that truly sets it apart from a game like Forza 3. The physics are a bit more realistic, the vehicle selection is deeper, the graphics are better, and the menu is better. Nowhere near better enough to justify the 5+ years of development, but still better.

I was disappointed with GT5.

There, I said it. I expected godlike quality. I expected an unattainable goal: perfection. What I don't want is a pretentious "holier than thou" attitude pushed in my face - and Randy sort of touched on it - by the opening video as if I'm supposed to feel blessed or lucky to have the game in my PS3. Attitude aside, there is - so far - nothing in GT5 that justifies the development time or the excitement I had when I actually paid cash monies for the physical representation of such a lengthy development cycle and all the people that were involved and their work.

GT5 was supposed to be THE racing simulation. The ultimate car game. The Omega racing game.

What I've played so far is just another racing game and, albeit beautiful and a good game, it's not what I wanted.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:12AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@Prboi

The only reason it didnt get 5 stars is because of lack of damage realism and lighting as well as nitty gritty outside graphics sacraficed to make the cars look superb.

Its something gamers saw in the trailers, so don't really have anything to disappoint them because they saw it coming, quite a few people mentioned some of those things before this review. Interesting. Either way, the number of things in this game, the sheer amount of fun available more than makes up for the minor things it lacks. This and NFS:HP are must buys for car people!
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:13AM Fermie Prime said

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@Prboi
Unfortunately, this is how people are going to interpret the reviews for this game:
"Its not the game's fault for lower-than-expected scores. Its the fault of the rating system, reviewer, website, etc. The game isn't finished yet. Its still a work in progress. PD never intended to released a completely fleshed-out game because they strive for perfection which is unattainable."

I'm sorry, but if this is how you interpret the scores for this game, thats a cop-out. It is what it is. The game should be criticized based on what is on the disk and NOT where it came from, what the heritage of the franchise is, what the "intent" is, or some other bullshit. GT5 needs to stand on its own merits.

The metacritic score does not lie. I'll be anxious to see what it will end up being.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:40AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@ Prboi

Have a look at IGN's review, they didn't give it a perfect score either, but at least they made points I found to be more realistic and understandable, it seems loading screens and cumbersome design issues in the menu pull it down, the racing itself is superb.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:52AM Finito said

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@This Little Man Says His Name Is
Sony sent game sites a copy, but apparently it was very late. I read most got their copy on Monday, which gives them extremely little time to review such a massive game. The embargo lifted on Wednesday, and then it's the usual race to be the first to publish a review. IMO, if a gaming site takes their reviewing seriously they should just delay their review. Some sites did just that, like Gamespot and Gamesradar.

Joystiq doesn't usually go in depth, but in this case Randy couldn't even go in depth if he wanted to. What I mean is that I get the feeling he barely played the game (relatively speaking). This hampers his opinion on the 'Grand Turismo experience'. I could be wrong of course. This review is short even by Joystiq standards. Some additional details on the special events, which apparently feel very different from the main mode and some comments on the A.I. would have been nice.

@ytilanigiroon
All right, playing GT5 to completion is impossible within reasonable time. But I still feel a reviewer should at least play a significant part of the game. Maybe the experience isn't the same at all 40 hours in compared to just 3 hours. Also, don't let the hype kill the game for you man. Accept the flaws and enjoy it for what it is. From what I hear it gets better later on. It's also designed with a driving wheel in mind, don't know if you have one.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:10PM ytilanigiroon said

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@Finito
"But I still feel a reviewer should at least play a significant part of the game."
Neither you nor I know how long Randy played GT5, but I like to give a guy the benefit of the doubt, and what he's said so far seems to be right on.

"Maybe the experience isn't the same at all 40 hours in compared to just 3 hours. Also, don't let the hype kill the game for you man. Accept the flaws and enjoy it for what it is. From what I hear it gets better later on."
Part of my point was that if it takes 40+ hours to truly get a "feel" for the game, in my opinion that's a problem. It's definitely not what I'd expect from over FIVE YEARS or development. With such a long lead time for delivery, I expect something flawless. Would you accept this with any other thing you buy? That car you just bought: sorry, it's supposed to have 450bhp, but for now it's only got 350bhp. Box of cereal: we know it's about two-thirds full, we'll give you the rest later. Et cetera...

"It's also designed with a driving wheel in mind, don't know if you have one."
I do, but for my 360. It might make a difference in GT5, but I can't believe that it would make such a significant improvement over using a DS3. Mind you, the difficulty and adjusting to different karts/cars/et al is not what I'm disappointed in: it's what I bought the game for. What I paid for, and what I bought are - in this instance - two different things. I'm not saying I hate GT5 - just that the delays and pretense have put me off from the series. For now, at least. I'm going to play GT5, a lot, just like I still do Forza (as much as I can, along with every other game in my library, without getting a divorce). But I doubt very much that PD will get any cash from me for anything else with the Gran Turismo moniker on it.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:51PM SmokemeaKipper said

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@Prboi It's official, the PS3 was completed it's launch.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:33PM Beloved Console said

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@ytilanigiroon So, you completed it, then?
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:11AM Tradio said

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Well this game hyped up to be a system mover, anything less than 5 stars after the constant delays is a HUGE FAIL

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:23AM superchamois said

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@Tradio

And thusly we are presented with the flaw in the star-rating system.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:28AM PN04 said

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@Tradio Anything less than 5 stars simply means that the reviewer isnt the type of person the game is aimed at. He said it himself. that it's basically a love letter to car nuts and those people will buy it regardless of anything. The game made it's sales by the simple virtue of existing.

This is PS3's Halo.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:39AM Cleric said

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@PN04

GT will not sell anywhere near Halo numbers. It's been way too long, and that crowd just isn't interested anymore. Hell, I'd bet LBP 2 will outsell GT
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:55AM Raniz85 said

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@Cleric
I've been waiting for this day since I bought my PS3 and I can assure you, I'm not the only one...
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 4:15AM Pawsed said

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@Cleric I disagree.

GT1 - #1 Best selling PSOne game of all time
GT2 - #3 Best selling PSOne game of all time
GT3 - #2 Best selling PS2 game of all time
GT4 - #3 Best selling PS2 game of all time
GT5 Prologue - #1 Best selling PS3 game of all time right now, and that was a watered down fraction of what this game.

I agree with reviews that it definitely missed the mark, especially when other games innovated through multiple versions over the six years Polyphony remained stagnant making this game to the same vision they started with. It feels dated. It's still impressive, and it's going to sell systems by the buckload regardless. Also, expect retailers to push this to parents getting a PS3 for the Holidays, as it's a very save alternative to the violent games PS3 is rife with. And it's an easy sell to a father who sees amazing cars on a big screen in store.

Anyways, it'll probably be the #1 or #2 best selling PS3 game before long, regardless of its flaws.
Simply put, when it comes to GT and Playstation, it's going to sell. Extremely well.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 4:39AM LENSconcept said

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@Pawsed

true, but, you didn't really rebut Cleric's bold, but probably true, statement. he said GT5 wouldn't even get close to Halo sales numbers. you said it'll be the best-selling ps3 game of all time. you're both probably right.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 4:43AM LENSconcept said

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@Cleric

you're wrong about 'the crowd not being interested anymore' though.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 5:04AM onlineatron said

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@Tradio The brand is the system seller... The scores are nearly inconsequential to this game's audience.

I know a couple of people who have bought PS3s for the game and went out at midnight to get it, completely disregarding reviews.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:08AM ToTheMoon said

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@Cleric

PN04 never said anything about numbers, when he said that GT5 is the PS3's Halo, he meant that that the game defines the system. When you think of xbox, one thinks of Halo and how it is the definitive console FPS. When you think car racing, you think GT on the Playstation.

I will agree with you that FPSs are more popular than car racing though but that wasn't PN04's argument.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:10AM Fermie Prime said

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@Tradio
This is how people are going to interpret the reviews for this game: Its not the game's fault for lower-than-expected scores. Its the fault of the rating system, reviewer, website, etc. I'm sorry, but thats a cop-out. It is what it is. The metacritic score does not lie. I'll be anxious to see what it will end up being.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:44AM Gemini Ace said

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@Pawsed How can two games be the best selling games on PS2?
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:00AM WiteBoiBrown said

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@LENSconcept The sales of gran turismo 1-4 are more then all the halo games combined if we want to put an outlook on the impact of the two series' instead of single games. Gran Turismo has sold 57 million units while Halo has sold roughly 40 million if combined with EVERY halo game that has been published to date and Halo with just counted the main games is at 30 million. So if you want to argue number wise for franchises Halo still has a ways to go before its in the top 15 most selling franchises in gaming history because the top 15 franchises has sold 50 million or more. And with all this Mario is way too far ahead compared to any next gen franchise to come close to with it selling 240 million units for just its main games.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:04AM WiteBoiBrown said

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@Gemini Ace Reread the stats. None of the games are the same ranking for best seller.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:35AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@ccc

Yeah, but what they aren't accouning for is the amount of things GT5 has added and the polish for each and every one of those 1000+ cars with few of no glitches and frame rate bugs etc etc.

I condone Forza for its speedy release, but with thier focus on popular cars, very little compared to the 1000 and nowhere near as pretty, Poloyphony has also been gaining new licsenses, testing new types of racing to make sure it is almost perfectly represented in thier game.

GT5 isnt just a sports car showcase with MSPaint capabilities like Forza, its a lot more then that, you just need to actually play the games to realise how different they are.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 10:35AM LENSconcept said

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@WiteBoiBrown

Fair enough, but the Mario stat is a bit skewed. That number includes all copies of Mario games that are packed in with systems. If you still count that, then Wii Sports is the best-selling single game of all time with roughly 67.7 million.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 11:00AM blueskyv201 said

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@superchamois
Not just star-rating system, any systems that assigns a score to the game at the end of the review.
When I watch Gametrailers' reviews, I sometimes unintentionally close the video just before the score is displayed. Once I know all the pro's and con's, I care about the score. Sadly, a lot of people still do.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 11:16AM blueskyv201 said

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@Pawsed
You just made up those stats, didn't you. Sure, Prologue sold well but I wasn't nearly the best selling PS3 game "of all time". It's number 8, actually.
1. Modern Warfare 2
2. GTA IV
3. Modern Warfare 1
. . .

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?page=1&results=50&name=&console=PS3&minSales=0&publisher=&genre=
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:16PM PreGHz said

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@blueskyv201

I think he meant platform exclusive sales. As in Halo is only on the Xbox, and Prologue is only on the PS3.

If you're talking those numbers, then yes, Prologue is the best selling PS3 game to date.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:01PM edoglost said

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@Pawsed

I'm not sure about your numbers here.
I'm pretty sure GTA San Andreas was the most sold PS2 title.

No doubt GT3 sold very well.

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Posted: Nov 25th 2010 1:38AM SuzanoSho the drug dealer PSN Sm said

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@edoglost

For you, and the rest of the nuts here who have trouble reading:

His post clearly says that GT3 is the SECOND BEST-SELLING PS2 title of all time, whereas GT4 is the third...
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Posted: Nov 26th 2010 9:36PM Flapjackal said

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@Pawsed I don't think "of all time" means what you think it means.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:23AM LiK said

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Not 5 stars? Prepare for hate mail. ;)

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 9:04AM Cap Morgan said

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@LiK
Because clearly a game cannot stand on it's own merits and requires a good rating to be enjoyed.

People either you'll fap to this game or you'll meh it. Hence 4 stars.
I imagine those in the former category will be raw for quite some time.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 11:00AM Shockwave said

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@Cap Morgan

Did you not notice the wink? What does someone need to do around here to show sarcasm before people like you GET it. Leave the poor guy alone.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:27AM Ryuk said

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WHAT?

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:27AM GT5ProBob said

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Still waiting for my copy to hit the doormat. I think though that you may be being a bit harsh and shouldn't give the game it's final score until you've been online and played every aspect of the game. After reading your review there are massive parts of the game you seem to have just skimmed over. You could have reviewed it after playing for a good day or two instead of within the first 5mins of release. 'Stiq please do another review once you have thoroughly played the game.

I've been gaming and previewing/reviewing games now for the past 25+yrs and just can't believe that you've let this 3min review of one of the most indepth games of our time grace your pages.

It seems to me that the writer just wanted to be one of the first to review the game.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:35AM noyesa said

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@GT5ProBob Go read about the other press outlets are saying about the multiplayer and you'll realize that had Joystiq put it through its paces it might've gotten even fewer ever-so-important stars.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:38AM Hasney said

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@GT5ProBob

Thanks for your take, oh un-biased man with GT5 in his username :)
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 3:51AM GT5ProBob said

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@Hasney . That is just my GT sign in buddy, I have several different ones for different games. Like I say, I just can't beleive that a game that has been in development for 7 odd years and has been out for less than 12hrs has been played thoroughly enough to pass a final review.
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