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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:26PM epicmuffin said

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"Ok, smile! 1..2..3..say cheese! Screw it, this is the best we're gonna get."

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:29PM Flapjackal said

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lololololllll

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:30PM Tuxy79 said

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*shakes-head*

10 years for modding an xbox...I've read about of convicted rape and child molesters in the news get less time than that.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:36PM Kagiroi said

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@Tuxy79

Indeed, and yet I find myself searching for any concrete reason as to why this should even be a blip on the governments radar. I know they have better things to worry about.

Your governments dollars at work here.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:41PM acefondu said

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@Tuxy79

Sadly...all the child molesters use legit Xbox 360's to scour Xbox Live for their fix so no one can find them. If only we had someone like Matthew Crippen to mod their Xbox's so the Government could track them down...the world would be a safer place.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:49PM XperimntNterror said

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@Tuxy79

unfortunately, i think imprisoning this guy (and others for petty "crimes") is more about profits for many different institutions/individuals and less about anyone actually caring about the "crime" committed. having inmates in jails is big business and generates a lot of revenue.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:54PM Invigilator said

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@XperimntNterror

Having inmates in jails is a huge drain on government revenues, to the tune of 60 000 or more a year per inmate.

Why would government prosecution officials try to get MORE people in jail? To lose more money? That's idiotic.

The reason the government pursues this case is the same reason they pursue any non-violent crime: if the law isn't enforced, it's meaningless.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 9:30AM Sandite5 said

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@Invigilator

Wrong, it's done because the Gov't and Microsoft circle jerk the crap out of each other.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 4:33PM XperimntNterror said

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@Invigilator if it were true that having inmates in prisons/jails were a drain on government revenue, then there would be no private prisons. besides that, it's not costing the government anything to pay for the care/welfare of inmates in jails and prisons; it's costing the taxpaying public.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:32PM acefondu said

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I still don't understand this case. I get that he modded the Xbox to play pirated games, but the pirating of the GAMES is what should be against the law not modding an Xbox. If that's the case then is using my broken refrigerator as storage against the law too as I'm not using the product as intended? It's HIS Xbox he can make it be a toaster if he wants. Nintendo didn't sue Angry Video Game Nerd for having a "NinToaster" for instance.

Seriously, videotaped him modding an Xbox is evidence of a crime? I do NOT understand this. What about tearing open a launch PS3 and sticking a Japanese Blu-Ray drive in it to play Japanese PS2 games? Everything bought and paid for but still undoubtedly illegal I imagine. What a screwed up justice system.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:40PM PumaBoy said

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@acefondu
If he was just modding for himself I do not think he would have been in this situation. Even if he had hundreds of pirated games for his personal use I do not think they would have gone after him. The fact that he was making a profit on doing something illegal is what he is charged for. Wired has a good link to this. Also did not realize this is a pretty old case from early 2008 just coming to court

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/08/crippen.pdf
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:42PM Jenks said

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@acefondu

I agree with everything you said about doing what you want with your own property.

That said, what are your thoughts on the 150 pirated games they seized from his home?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:49PM acefondu said

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@PumaBoy

Ok but there's my problem, I don't get why it's illegal. People get paid to "mod" products all the time like replacing things on a car that go bad, upgrading computers with better parts and so on. Heck people mod PSP's all the time to play pirated games from what I understand, but I don't get why the crime is "modding" the system.

People who crack or copy the GAMES makes perfect sense though as they are actually stealing the products. The Xbox or PSP's however are already purchased. If Microsoft is telling me that buying their Xbox, then doing whatever I want with it is illegal then that just doesn't make any sense. He's not even copying the technology and selling Xbox rippoffs like China does.

Didn't Sony once say the PS2 could launch missiles? Why didn't the government step in when that was announced? Isn't that a MUCH bigger threat? lol
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:49PM BananaBoat said

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@acefondu - The part that is bizarre to me is that the actual act of pirating games is a civil matter, while enabling people to do it is a criminal matter. Generally speaking though, when you turn an otherwise gray-area thing (like modding a console), into a money making enterprise, you get the hammer dropped on you. That's just how the law works.

Had the guy never charged, he probably wouldn't be in this mess right now.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:57PM acefondu said

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@Jenks

The issue I have with the 150 pirated games they found is that they searched his home under false pretenses in my opinion. They went in because he modded an Xbox which in my mind isn't a crime at all. So in that sense they never should have searched his home in the first place.

But regardless, pirated games is illegal that's just straight up stealing and he should be prosecuted for it. However the kind of penalties people get for this crime are ABSURDLY high and that needs to be fixed. I swear there are lower penalties for grand theft auto which I find to be a far worse crime.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:58PM Invigilator said

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@BananaBoat

Making money from someone else's work is always a nice way to find yourself in court.

It's a pity that this guy didn't go the usual 15 year old hacker route and not show up in court. Contempt of court is always a good way to deal with people who don't feel the need to respect the law.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:01PM acefondu said

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@BananaBoat

Better tell my friend to stop charging $20 to mod PSP's, lol.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:03PM PumaBoy said

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@acefondu
In a way he is like China by changing the console to do functions it was not intended for.

Also you mention cars. There is a limit of what you can legally do to a car and that is governed by state. Try having people pay you to remove seat belts and see what happens

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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:05PM acefondu said

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@Invigilator

But Microsoft already got the $300 for the Xbox purchased. If I were to say set up an Xbox repair shop (MANY people did that during the RRoD era) could Microsoft sue me then? I pay my cousin all the time to fix my car but Ford never sues me or him over it. Again, that's why I don't get it.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:06PM acefondu said

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@PumaBoy

Right and my refrigerator no longer cools things...so I better look out when Whirlpool comes looking for me.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:19PM Invigilator said

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@acefondu

If you offer a service modding satellite installations so they can steal TV signals, do you think the satellite companies won't come after you? Of course they will.

You're charging people for an illegal service, simple as that.

Of course the prosection has botched this particular case so badly that it's unlikely to result in a conviction. But I doubt they'll make that mistake again.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:20PM PumaBoy said

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@acefondu
It would be better if they did not mention the console he used since this is not a case from Microsoft. It is a federal case and he violated the DCMA "It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works."

Fact of the matter is he broke the law and probably would have been fine if he was not trying to profit on breaking the law.

Not saying the fine is or term is right, but if you break a law there is consequences.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:23PM Courtney said

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@Invigilator

The difference between the satellite and game console analogy is that in many cases, you actually lease at least some of the equipment from the satellite company or it's provided for free. It's illegal to mod that equipment, because the user doesn't actually own it. If you owned the equipment, and modded it in such a way that it could conceivably have a purpose other than stealing the satellite signal, this would be exactly the same case.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:38PM Arturis said

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@acefondu

I think, if Ive learned anything at all from this thread, its that you need a new fridge.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:40PM acefondu said

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@PumaBoy

Oh I understand Puma, I just don't necessarily agree with it.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:41PM acefondu said

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@Arturis

lol
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 5:36PM Dark Archon PSN Archonik XBL Dar said

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@acefondu I think what it boils down to is that people don't get why it is illegal to mod their consoles if they bought them. The simplified explanation is: yes, you do buy the hardware, but not the software (ie. the OS). You own the console, but you don't own the software (you only buy a license to use it). That's why when you hack your system you willingly make the software do something it's not supposed to do - ie. play homebrew or pirate games. It's a little deeper than that, but let's call that the basics of why it's illegal. Sure, you can do whatever you want with your console, even smash it with a hammer or convert it into a toaster. It's basically the software part that's protected.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 5:43PM BananaBoat said

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@Invigilator - I'm no fan of this guy (nay, I'm an enemy, because it is partially his fault every time I come upon a cheater on Xbox Live) but even I don't want someone to go to jail based on witnesses that openly admit to the same damn thing, yet that aren't being charged. Then there is the issue of improperly gathered evidence. If they're going to go after people, they need to do it above board, or not at all.

@acefondu - Assuming that he mods them via memory stick, and not mod chip, there isn't really a paper trail to follow. IANAL, but your friend is probably fine, as long as he doesn't advertise or make a whole lot of money (in which case the IRS would probably like a word).
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 7:16PM Invigilator said

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@BananaBoat

Oh, agreed Bananaboat. I personally think Microsoft should pursue these people through civil lawsuits rather than the criminal system.

In the criminal system, the burden of proof is just too tricky. But with lower civil suit standards, nailing these people would be no problem.

And when you have people who blatantly profit from the work of others, punitive damages get awarded, a LOT, especially in American courts. It wouldn't be surprising to see people like this get slapped with over a million dollars in punitive damages.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 2:43AM jsx92 said

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@acefondu There's a difference between modifying hardware to do normal things and modifying hardware to do illegal things. If you modify someone's car to blow up or remove the brakes you're going to go to jail.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 8:36AM acefondu said

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@jsx92

What about Computers? Every computer is inherently capable of booting pirated software without modification. Every computer is capable of downloading torrents or using rapidshare. While there's no modification needed in these instances does that change the fact that the product is still capable of illegal activity?

Taking the modification into account, what about hacking your computer's DVD drive to play all regions of DVD's? Surely that's illegal, but isn't it beyond stupid that it is?

I'm not advocating for this guy, I don't agree with what he did and piracy as a whole has killed my beloved PC game world driven to bargain bin Steam releases, but the law in this case is so fuzzy I just want to see some clarity to it.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 3:12PM Misfit Toy said

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@acefondu

Must... tear... sticker... off... matress... aggghhhh!!!
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:33PM making11s said

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At the very worst this guy should be facing a hefty fine and probation. I will never understand putting non-violent, first time offenders in jail unless it can be shown that lives were ruined, or at least badly disrupted, by the offense. They clearly pose no threat to the safety of the outside world, so why do I have to pay to keep them locked up?.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:59PM Invigilator said

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@making11s

So, you think the Enron directors and Conrad Black should be only paying fines?

After all, they were all first time offenders with non-violent crimes! Clearly they shouldn't have to go to jail!
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 5:04PM PreGHz said

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@Invigilator

Are you purposefully ignoring the rest of that sentence, or are you just that dense? Or are you just attempting to reduce his argument to the point of absurdity as to discredit his very valid point? Please read it again.

"...unless it can be shown that lives were ruined, or at least badly disrupted, by the offense."
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 5:07PM jrr said

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@Invigilator

Didn't he mention something about "unless it can be shown that lives were ruined"? Yeah, he/she did, and the Enron criminals and Conrad Black most definitely ruined plenty of lives.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 9:16AM Tephlon said

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@jrr

I absolutely agree with the spirit of your statements, but I can see a reality where all the procescution does then is have to convince the jury (or judge) that lives WERE ruined (ie, the software makers). Since his services were depriving the industry of game sales, those who stand to gain from those sales are "harmed".

The question then becomes a bunch of lawyers fighting over how much you have to harm someone for their lives to become "badly disrupted".

Granted, I think this is probably a better metric to go by then the ones we use now, and I don't personally think 'many' lives have been 'ruined' by piracy, but most of the 'research' I've ever seen is anti-piracy... I don't think it's too far fetched for a court to be convinced that lives were 'impacted' by his actions, and get the sentence they want.

Something about the letter of the law and the spirit of the law come to mind in this situation, but I'm sure everyone's heard that argument before... so I won't go there.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:33PM ufcmike1 said

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Well, that's something.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:37PM swooded said

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I don't really think ANYBODY expected that diatribe from the Judge yesterday. All signs leading up to the trial seemed to point to him just letting it roll on through. It's good to see he's been looking into everything & seemingly getting a better understanding.
I'm sure the Defense table could barely contain their smiles & high fives.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:37PM SaturnPrime said

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The case has been dismissed. Story should be updated.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:41PM Hivetyrant said

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Good.

If you profit from piracy, you deserve to have that money stripped from you, or at least some of your time.
I won't go into an argument about what should be free and what shouldn't, but deep down we all know this is wrong to a degree.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:49PM TheDarkWayne said

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@Hivetyrant I'm against piracy as much as, if not more than most people. But 10 years in prison for a first time offense? He didn't rape or murder anyone, he didn't even knock an old lady down stealing her purse. A fine, probation, community service, whatever, but 10 years is cruel and unusual
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:44PM MisterSquared said

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Inmate: "What'r you in for?"
Crippen: "People paid me to mod their Xboxes."
Inmate: "Holy shit guys, stay away from this one, we got a modder in here!"

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:46PM PR0F3TA said

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I hope his body can take it.

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:47PM PumaBoy said

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Not too sure why they are just saying Xbox since they also said he had been doing for the Wii and playstation as well

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:53PM Marco le Polo said

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@PumaBoy

Because Nintendo and PlayStation plan to hire him.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:06PM PumaBoy said

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@Marco le Polo
Nice!!!
Only problem is Microsoft is not the one charging him.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 4:18PM whylekat said

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@inv

The reason the gov't persues this case has nothing to do with "upholding the law."
Our system is designed so lawyers/judges always get paid and taken care of. Justice was not the main objective here. Dollar signs were.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 3:54PM atriux said

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150 games? Say what? Oh yeah, he's screwed. Even pirates know not to steal that much. And if they do, well they have their ways of staying under the radar.

Nice picture btw. Does you great "justice".

Posted: Dec 2nd 2010 4:11PM swooded said

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@atriux
He's not on trial for the games though - they are just being used as evidence. Another ridiculous part of the whole trial. The bulk of what is & should be REALLY illegal in the case is not even on the docket.
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