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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:16AM JIAGPOS said

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IP rights would be like movie, book, audio, etc rights. Video taping yourself playing a game and showing it on TV is not depriving IP rights.

They're just money hungry.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:19AM Lerkero said

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@JIAGPOS
When there is competition, advertising, and a lot of money involved it might not be so simple.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:36AM sigma8 said

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@Lerkero
So if you videotaped yourself reading chapters of Harry Potter and showed that on TV, is that public domain too?
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:38AM The Aquacharger said

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@Lerkero
Eh, you wouldn't see this in America. The ammount of times I've watched American based Dawn of War, Counter-Strike, Brawl, Street Fighter, Starcraft (1 and 2) and more games, free is pretty high. Since you're not paying for the service there's nothing to sue on.Even if it's say a pay only channel (like cable or HBO or something) there's nothing to sue on. This is just them being a bag of di-cks like they did about having you pay to watch live coverage of Blizzcon.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:39AM DangerMouse001 said

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@Lerkero

You're right, it's not simple. Should they go after gametrailers or IGN for posting video reviews of their games, as well? They usually have an advertisement on before they start that aren't from the same company as the video being shown. Someone else does make money off the advertisement for that review.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:42AM The Aquacharger said

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@DangerMouse001
Or even YouTube for allowing people to upload and watch the tourneys for free too.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:15AM JIAGPOS said

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@sigma8
In my opinion books and moves are different. If you, say record a stream a movie, that movie only has 1 plot every time. Whoever just watched it is not going to pay to watch it again. However a video game is different. There is no plot (in competitive multiplayer events). Each match is different.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 10:04AM sigma8 said

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@JIAGPOS
Okay, so then would it be legal for me to host my own, televised, commercialized Quidditch matches without giving a dime to J K Rowling?
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 11:21AM Lerkero said

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@DangerMouse001
That reply doesn't make any sense. Publishers provide Gametrailers and IGN with material specifically so that those websites give coverage of their games to the intended audience. There is already an agreement of coverage for the material provided. It's not like GT is doing it for profit without the publishers consent.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 3:39PM The Aquacharger said

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@Drunken Irish Sniper
Doesn't stop the fact I can watch these same tourneys here free aswell, and for other games too. Been doing it for a while. Some live, some not.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:18AM Lerkero said

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Really? I'm not a Starcraft player but based on what I've read about the game and it's popularity in Korea I would have assumed it's public domain. Starcraft is probly one of the programs that comes with every new computer. Even though Blizzard is right for trying to protect their IP, the Koreans may see it as trying to charge licensing fees for solitaire.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:40AM sohcahtoa said

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@Lerkero yeah but solitaire dont get constant patches and balances to keep the game up to date and at a competitive level. SC2 does
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 7:39AM Jack Kevorkian said

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@Lerkero By your logic anything popular would be public domain. A large case where Disney argued and won that Mickey Mouse was not part of the public domain ended a few years ago.

Holds no water in international law. If someone is profiting by your hard work you deserve a cut in my opinion just like you would if you wrote a song, drew a picture or wrote a book.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:20AM Credge said

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O_o

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:31AM ll features ll said

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Its hard to know who to side with on this one, on one hand I love watching Korean Starcraft and on the other Kespa's clearly in the wrong; pushing Blizzard to this point over several years.

Heres hoping this all gets sorted, without derailing the current OSL, MSL Proleagues. Part of me wishes Blizzard would just turn a blind eye, afterall Blizzard owes the Korean pro scene for keeping Starcraft exciting and relevent over the past 12 or so years and in turn guaranteed the commercial success of Starcraft 2.

Like I said, its hard to know who to side with.....

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:45AM DangerMouse001 said

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@ll features ll

I can't take a side because i don't give a rat's ass about a corporation in which i have no investment in and i don't live in Korea.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 4:02PM Mike DPad said

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@DangerMouse001

Ignorance must be bliss.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:35AM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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Looks like Koticks fingers slide deeper into Blizzard's pockets as time goes on.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:59AM Premature ejaculation man said

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@WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco
"fingers slide deeper"
That is all I read... Sorry
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 3:36AM Ryuk said

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@The Aquacharger

can he ever?
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 4:18PM Hsuchi said

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@WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco

Kotick biting the hand that feeds him, the Korean e-Sports scene almost single handedly kept Starcraft's popularity going and extending its longevity for an amazing (for any game) 12 years.

This is obviously another power play after licensing talks broke down for StarCraft2 early this year explaining why none of the major TV networks cover or sponsor SC2 opting to continue with the SC1 leagues that have they have been running for the last 10 years.

Following the breakdown of Activision's negotiations with the major networks and Korean eSports Association, they decided to break off and sign an agreement with an online network GOMTV that had nothing to lose and was covering only a smattering of eSports in Korea. While GOMTV has strong online popularity (due to its Windows Media Player replacement), this is a far cry from being as accessible and popular as being featured on the major TV networks.

To support this agreement with Activision, the SC2 league running today by GOMTV are charged PPV in a per game or per tournament format, instead of being corporate sponsored on TV.

With some of the retired and lower tier professionals moving over to SC2 in the last couple of months, Kotick must feel confident that it may be time to burn the bridge that Blizzard built over 10 years before his reign.

But, I can only feel like this is way too soon, Bobby. Imagine if the NFL went PPV and was not shown on "regular TV" anymore, how would popularity be affected? Obviously the diehards will still watch, but this also spawns "bootlegging" issues common to any PPV-based events. GRETECH (GOMTV's parent company) has had to deal with sending Cease and Desist requests ever since they have been running their coverage.

Back on subject, basically since SC2 talks died off earlier this year and now the TV networks have been happily continuing their SC1 operations for the last 6 months instead of begging Activision for another chance at SC2, the next logical step in their eyes is to sue retroactively...
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:36AM sigma8 said

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Well, thanks to the beauty of Battle.net, they can probably just pull the plug on any unsanctioned tournaments!

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:34AM DevilSei said

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@sigma8
This would be Starcraft 1, and the preferred method of these tournaments is LAN, not clunky, laggy Battle.Net, which is what it would be with that many people trying to access it from one point, much less find each other.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:38AM sohcahtoa said

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Well it isnt completely public domain... i mean for there to even be a balance game for e-sport players to play with, blizz need to spend time and money to patch the game... why should they let other people profit off of their hard work, and not get a cut themselves?

how many game dev actually support and patches their RTS to such an extent as blizz? they only do it so they can have their game be played in e-sports and earn money from it

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 4:31AM Vidikron said

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@sohcahtoa

I really don't buy that excuse. The vast majority of their customers don't play in competitive tournaments, much less tournaments broadcast on TV. Blizzard would, or should anyway, be striving for a balanced game for their millions of customers that just play matches against friends or other people they meet on Bnet. As a multiplayer RTS it wouldn't be very appealing if it was too unbalanced. To claim they're doing it all for the tournaments being broadcast on TV in S. Korea is joke.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:49AM InkSix said

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Why are people getting angry? Isn't this sort of similar to having ESPN having exclusive rights to the World Cup? I know no one owns futbol, but the FIFA World Cup itself is something that is put together by lots of effort and money. I wouldn't feel like FIFA was being a jerk for getting angry and unsanctioned World Cup broadcasting when there's agreements that need to be made against networks.

Video of some people playing futbol on YouTube, fine. Official licensed tournament events of futbol with advertisements, sponsors, and underneath an official tournament name, being broadcasted without consent on a network that is not in agreement, bad.

This makes sense to me at least.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:51AM InkSix said

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Oh, and just for the record, I don't really know if ESPN had the exclusive rights to broadcast the World Cup. It was just an example.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 4:08AM Fakeassname said

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@InkSix

those are professional sports leagues, this is akin to the construction company that built the stadiums those sports leagues play in suing ESPN because they are broadcasting images of their product.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 7:42AM Jack Kevorkian said

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@Fakeassname Its not like that at all because there is a long and varied history of Blizzards argument in international law. Yours is just an arbitrary example of nothing at all.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 5:10PM maveric101 said

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@InkSix

i was thinking about a similar example, the NFL in America. but then i started thinking that the NFL gets to control the broadcasts because they pay to organize and put the games on. Blizzard isn't financing those channels or tournaments at all; plus those people bought their games.

i dunno. it's not a simple issue.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:00AM Premature ejaculation man said

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Blizzard should be nerfed for using cheese. This is imba or something

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:01AM (Unverified) said

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wat...

Really Blizzard? Really?

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:07AM (Unverified) said

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"ll features ll" summed it up pretty much perfectly. Starcraft pro-gaming is such a sensitive thing that non-starcraft players will never understand. If you play and follow the scene, you know Blizzard is right in what it does. Does it have to? Not really. But it's their property, and if you tread on it without permission, they will fight back. Besides, GomTV is not only supported by Blizzard, but helps us foreigners tune in live to watch matches in their tournaments.

So for those hating on Blizzard, please do some research before you flame. Just because you hear a company sue doesn't mean they're always wrong.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:35AM Chichok said

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I get what you're saying where it's their IP. What I don't get is why are they suing right NOW. Blizzard knew South Korea has been using Starcraft 1 for tournaments for years and no action was taken. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Starcraft 2 pretty much a year old at this point. So I'm pretty sure it would've been broadcasted already enough time for Blizzard to react.

Then again, I don't know the schedule of all things South Korean tournaments.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:36AM DevilSei said

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Yeah, honestly this has been going on pretty much since Starcraft launched. They had their chances. Right now, the only reason why they might be suing them is to try and force them into "downgrading" to Starcraft 2, where Blizzard would have absolute control over them via Battle.shit 2.0.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 8:57AM Drakkenfyre said

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@Chichok

I wasn't aware a year was from June to December.
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Posted: Dec 7th 2010 10:38AM NeoElemental said

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@Chichok They're doing it now directly because SC2 was released. They inked a deal with GOM for broadcast rights of that. They can't expect that exclusive contract to be upheld if they can't defend SC1 in the exact same way, in the exact same courts. That's what "laws" are...consistent ways of dealing with disputes.

If they let the rights for SC1 slide, then they let SC2 slide. If the defend the rights of SC2, they have to also defend the rights of SC1.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:59AM The Aquacharger said

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Do you really want to piss Koreans off on the one game they'll actually buy?

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:31PM Creative said

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@The Aquacharger They want people to buy StarCraft 2, not Brood War, which is essentially free to play in Korea as long as you're in a PC방. In addition, KeSPA is an authoritarian, corrupt organization that squeezed as much money out of Brood War as it could without giving Blizzard a dime.

One pro player phrased it this way: "Going from KeSPA (StarCraft league) to GSL (Blizzard sponsored StarCraft 2 league) was like going from communism to capitalism."
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:17AM danaceb said

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Lol @ Blizzard. Suing non profit organizations for profit. Also the fact that Starcraft 2 bombed in south Korea could be causing some butt hurt.

These are great times; two of the most massively overrated game makers doing everything to drag their name through the mud, even with massive journalistic kickbacks keeping the reviews praising gamers have finally had enough. Polyphony and Blizzard, amazing what can happen in a few years from doing everything in your power to crap on your fans....oh wait.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:29AM Faren22 said

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@danaceb I wouldn't say TV stations fall into the realm of non-profit organizations. And believe me, if they wanted to drag their name through the mud, they'd block all multiplayer connections from Korea and start randomly banning thousands at a time from WoW.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:32PM Creative said

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@danaceb TV stations are certainly not non-profit; keep up the "I'm a stupid asshole" act, it suits you.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:38AM DevilSei said

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Way to go Blizzard, shooting yourself in the foot is one thing, but it takes a real(ly bat-shit stupid) man to shoot himself in the balls, and not in a "like a boss" way.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:47AM Dalrint said

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I think Blizzard (well, acti-blizzard, let's be honest. Ordinary Blizzard never gave a rats ass what the Koreans were doing with Starcraft as long as it was insanely popular and selling well) needs to be careful here.

Starcraft would NOT be the game it is today without Korea. I don't care how popular it was in the rest of the world, that country kept the game alive for a DECADE. They're probably fifty percent of the reason Starcraft 2 was even made.

Blizzard needs to do this without either denying the Koreans their regular doses of Starcraft (they watch it the way people in the states watch Baseball) and without coming off looking like money-hungry jackasses.

I'm not sure they can do it.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 3:01PM Jack Kevorkian said

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@Dalrint I could not care less about blizzard but your vague statistics are invalid and useless. My guess is Blizzard counts on Korea for just above nothing at all and just under who gives a shit.

Europe, Japan and North America. That is where ALL of the dollars are. And here we see these Korean companies fleecing Blizz. because I am an ass and a mercy killer I'd take away their ability to play.

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Posted: Dec 4th 2010 2:52AM Ncrdrg said

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Suing the TV networks? Yeah, I don't exactly have a problem with that. But doing it NOW? Activision is having a big influence with Blizzard.

But suing the tournament organizers is pretty damn shameless. They're not the broadcasters. It'd be like the card companies suing people for making a poker tournament. What they do with the games they own after that is their own damn business.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 3:21AM Esposch said

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Are they insane?

There are two channels dedicated to broadcasting promotion for their product 24/7 and they SUE them!?

Why, Blizzard?

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 4:24AM AxelFury said

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So they want to limit the exposure of the game and they are also confused why the game hasn't taken on the sales growth that it has compared to SC1. Uhhh....

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 4:35AM Gamelore said

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Sue-happy Blizzard is at it again, suing their own customers. How does making a product give you broadcast rights over other people using it? That's ridiculous.

Most hilarious quote, which makes me laugh even from a distance:

"There will be no incentive to do what Blizzard had done to balance the games for competition, which is a more difficult task than creating a normal game."

Like you need to balance games for competition anyway? Like that makes it "broadcastable"? Like post-launch balance is even welcome? Like strict balance is even entertaining? Like games shouldn't be balanced as part of being, you know, games that sell?

Like waving the nerf stick even constitutes real, original work that the players couldn't decide themselves?

Dummies.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 6:19AM huffhuffhuff said

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cut the hands that made Blizzard. Brilliant.

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