Dead or Alive Dimensions lets players double framerate by turning 3D effect off

@Undying
i plan on playing this game while turned on....
what too much info.

@Undying: Well, in a system such as the 3DS, I wouldn't say it's a gimmick more than I'd say it's an integral feature in its design. Its whole selling point is that it plays games in 3D that don't require 3D glasses.

@MGTrey

Yes, but none of the games can truly be designed with 3D as a main aspect as anyone who can't use the 3D feature or simply chooses to turn it off would be severely hindered.

What I mean is, 3D can be used to enhance things already in a game, but not as an actual game mechanic or as a means to complete a game as that would cause many people to be left out/screwed.

@MGTrey
The main selling point to me is that it's a DS with graphics that look like a PS2.

@sonicspike41 While I agree with your point that 3D cannot be "mandatory" as such, thanks to a switch that allows it to be turned off, don't assume a developer is concerned for other reasons. Numerous games use colour in a way completely unaccountable for (predominantly male) colour blind people. That is a much larger number than people with no depth perception.

Otherwise, i mean, can you actually think of an example where a 3D mechanic would NOT translate to 2D? No matter the technology, the 3DS still uses flat screens, so to give the appearance that identical objects are on different planes, they MUST be different in dimensions. Move your hands around in front of your face, then close one eye. Can you imagine failing a puzzle based on depth?

I'm interested to see what developers can do, like simulating forced perspective, but I don't believe they will be able to avoid foreshortening.

@Undying

You will once you've seen the 3D gimmick in action.

@Solar Jetman

There is a DSi game that uses the camera to let you tilt the scene, giving it a sense of inward 3D (compared to most that appear to project both in and out of the screen). It's used to solve puzzles by rotating the system to align various objects to form things like letters. That is of course based on the camera though, and not the 3D.

I imagine there will be more people playing without the 3D than there will be colorblind people playing games like Bioshock 2 or Arkham Asylum (simply because the system has the option to turn it off).

It still begs the question though. If it's not used in a way that would make people want to use it, what's the point of it? I understand it would increase depth perception and therefore also make it feel more as if you are in the game, but aside from that novelty feature what significant use could it really have?

(Also, I'm thrilled by the idea of 3D in games. I'm just cautiously optimistic.)

@Solar Jetman
I heard the estimate that 10% (including me, incidentally) have no depth perception. What's the colour blind stats - surely it can't be 'much' larger? (Incidentally, in my area at work, there is one colour-blind person and one with no depth-perception, so they're even! Not exactly a large sample though.)

@MasterYogurt People don't understand that as long as the engine is running at 60FPS internally, you input will be processed with the same responsiveness. This is the main advantage of running at 60FPS vs a game that's actually lagging at 30FPS.

Both will respond exactly the same in this case. There is no benefit to turning off 3D aside from an improvement in scenes that pan very fast and 30FPS is insufficient.

@ll features ll

Yeah, even if you have the best gaming computer ever you could always benefit from turning the settings down. But you don't want to b/c the game looks great. If I wanted lower graphics I would play Wolfenstein 3D

@ll features ll
This is a fighting game though, so performance is a little important.
Only a little.

@ViewtifulJason
"big bobs"
I hope that wasn't a typo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Mmvss6w80

@gatotsu911
DEM BIG BOBS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiPCRqFB06g

@ViewtifulJason I thought Tekken held the undisputed title of biggest Bob.

@gatotsu911 Yes and no. You see when boobs become large enough, they actually fuse together, forming a super-boob, The typo is that it is spelled "bOb". Sorry for the confusion.

@The Joy of Cooking DeMat

It most definitely would, unless the increased performance goes directly to graphical processing in all instances (so no 3D means better graphics but not lower power consumption)

@xpander2k

Matter of preference. I much prefer racing games and shootans to be 60fps.

Some people say 'but graphics dun mean shit' when talking frame-rates, but I think 60fps offers a noticeably smoother gameplay experience.

Doesn't add much?

Go play a game at 30 FPS. Then play that same game at 60 FPS. The difference noticeable is immense.

All the "You can't see above 30 FPS" crap is bullshit. There is no built-in limit of 30. The eye can detect up to 100 FPS in most cases, and some people higher. It is the individual person who has a different tolerance for what they can or cannot see.

The game will also feel smoother at 60 FPS.

@Drakkenfyre : I didn't say I never saw or played a game in 60 FPS. I said in this day and age it doesn't add much to the gaming. At least for me it doesn't

Now, I'll give a perfect example or where 30 FPS to 60 FPS was very noticeable. Sonic Adventure. At the time for the Dreamcast was pretty impressive looking, but the game ran at 30 FPS. However, there was a racing board at Twinkle Park which was running at 60 FPS and it was noticeable immediately. Now I downloaded the Sonic Adventure on XBOX arcade. The whole game has been upscaled and remastered for HD. Now when I go to that racing level at Twinkle Park there is no difference at ALL between that and the rest of the game. The whole game is probably running at 60 FPS now instead of just that one part. If you happen to have Sonic Adventure and a Dreamcast check it out for yourself and you'll see what I mean.

In this HD era is more about the TV resolution than the game itself. For instance, Gears Of War 2 runs at 30 FPS and looks pretty good on a normal 60Hz HDTV, but I've played on a 240Hz TV and it looks 10 times better. Check that out if you haven't already. There is a immense difference. However, the game didn't 'play' any smoother because of the broken mechanics that Gears has which I'm not going to get into here. If you've played Gears long enough, you know what I'm talking about.

@TheMCFacemanBandcampcom : Oh I'm sorry. I forgot that people that don't share your opinion are ignorant.

I don't like either COD games period for the record. Nothing wrong with them. Just not my flavor.

@Leafhopper

That's gonna be me, really don't plan on using the 3D much

@Leafhopper
Damn straight.

It absolutely does not work like that.

3D requires a full extra frame, even if the 3D is turned on just a little bit. You can't shave off a little and use it to smoothen the gameplay. You either use the frame for one thing, or the other.

@Synnyr
Oh Synnyr! What would we do without you?

@sparkster

....So what I'm taking away from this is that you are a huge Nintendo fanboy!

Uhhhhh right. You obviously have never played many DS games, or you're trolling. There are so many examples of games that use the touchscreen to enhance gameplay or create completely new gameplay concepts that would never have been possible with traditional controls, I can't even begin to summarize them.

The only reason so many button peripherals exist for the iphone isn't just so that you don't have to use the touchscreen because everyone hates it, that's nonsense. Its simply because people like to play all sorts of games, including ones that aren't a good fit for it. Apple just doesn't get this.

As for the "waggle" you're talking about, it's the best way to play FPS games on a console. And, just to name a simple example, try something like 1:1 disk golf with buttons and sticks. Have fun with your gauges.

Coming up with examples of games that don't use motion or touch controls well as "proof" that it's useless is the same as taking a PC game with horribly bad graphics and taking this as proof that expensive graphics cards are useless and a gimmick.

@bm111
Sorry, if I didn't make myself clear. I was never talking about FPS'.. (eff pee esses?) but about how the motion controls are rarely used as such, because there's obviously limited application besides imitating a mouse cursor or sports games (hooray, sports games...). Instead the wiimote is mostly used as a "oh that waggled" sensor almost ruining all the games that do so. Combat system in Okami was nightmarish because of that for example.
And I did play alot of DS games (mostly used ones if that matters). My favorites are still the Castlevanias, the Mega Man games and yes, I even enjoyed Rune Factory. All of these games have one thing in common: IF they use stylus controls, they do so, when it makes SENSE, like in the menus or inventory screens. About the only game that had decent controls despite the forced stylus use was MPH, but that game had other problems.

Your viewpoint is obviously based on a very limited experience, considering the games you mention, and considering you name MPH as the only game with "forced" stylus use that you've seen (which is baffling in itself).

I'm not gonna sit here and make a list of examples, but there's plenty, they're way better than MPH, and they're easy to find.

@bm111

"the only decent game" *

Edit functions are nice.