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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:33PM E30 Kid said

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I definitely agree that Kongregate is a pretty cool idea for an Android app and through my limited time with the app, it definitely seems like a secondary app store to those who are uninformed. When there are download buttons on every game page, it makes it feel like a secondary app store. Hopefully this will be resolved quickly, but if not, it will still be available from Kongregate's website anyway.

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 9:50PM JONNNathannn said

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@E30 Kid Only some games can be cached/downloaded. And even if they all could be, it's caching a file in a browser the same way Dolphin browser will cache sites you visit. This is stupid of Google. I'm very disappointed in them. I'll continue to use KArcade on my Droid, it's a great app.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:37PM liquidsoap89 said

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Well, it's still available for Android so this isn't THAT big of a problem for us.

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:37PM DBuckEye said

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So, just go to m.kongregate.com? But that's so unofficial!

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:45PM Xiegfried said

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While that is a valid restriction for apps, there isn't any reason why the Kongregate app should have been removed. It's one gaming app that Android has over Apple, which is much needed.

Posted: Jan 20th 2011 9:48AM Ghen said

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@Xiegfried

Along those lines, google should really allow it even if it DID bend the rules... just to have an extremely popular one-up on Apple.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:51PM Cheesus Crust said

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I think its because they used the term "FREE" for all of the games, implying that games that weren't free were down the line, essentially creating a 2nd flash gaming appstore

Posted: Jan 20th 2011 9:43AM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@Cheesus Crust

Umm no? Kongregate has always been about free to play flash games.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 9:48AM Ghen said

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@This Little Man Says His Name Is

But now Kongregate is owned by Gamestop.

Doesn't matter what they used to do.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:52PM The Albatross said

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For the uninitiated, it does seem like an app store, but once you realize it's just a portal to play games through their website, it'll be back up there.

The difference between this case and a case of Apple banning an app from their app store is that if any publicity is given to the App developer, Android will fold and allow the app to remain, while that would only serve to make Apple more stubborn.

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 9:02PM grexy said

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@The Albatross We'll see, my opinion of Google will recover somewhat if they reinstate it but I have my doubts.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 9:02PM ADewiM said

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@The Albatross You can download them to your phone for offline play. I don't think it should make a difference, but Google might not have liked that it's for software. Devs could be distributing (and selling, giving Google a cut) those individual games on the Market.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 9:45AM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@ADewiM

No they couldn't be. To do that the dev's would have to recreate the games using the android SDK.

This simply plays them via a custom browser interface as they are flash games.
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2011 1:28PM frenchie16 said

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@The Albatross
The other difference is you can still download the app, as a .apk file from Kongregate's website, and install it, without hacking your phone.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:53PM ADewiM said

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Yay Google for making it easy to install non-market Apps! Boo Google for making that necessary in this case!

http://www.kongregate.com/android

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:58PM MisterSmith said

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If nothing else, it's nice that Kongregate has two ways to work around getting pulled off the market.

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 9:17PM DustbinK said

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So the upside of this app was that you didn't need flash installed on your phone to use it? I'm sure the app will be back up in no time anyways.

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 9:42PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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@DustbinK
No. You still need Android Froyo (2.2) or greater, with Flash support. It's just a browser shell to play Flash games (akin to the Joystiq and Engadget apps being browser shells).
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 9:51PM JONNNathannn said

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@DustbinK No, it was just a really slick UI making it easy and nice to find games to play. The games were opened in a browser but it did it's best to hide that fact and jump to fullscreened flash content.
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2011 1:30PM frenchie16 said

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@DustbinK The main advantage is the interface is nicer than the browser, you can keep games cached for faster load times, and, if i'm not mistaken, you can play them without an internet connection (not a huge deal for most people i guess, but nice if you have a tablet without cellular data or a limited data plan.)
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 10:06PM Weejo said

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Ack! I'm pondering getting an Android for my next phone. Hopefully this comes back!

Posted: Jan 19th 2011 10:10PM ADewiM said

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@Weejo It's still trivial to install, so don't worry.

I have an Android phone and am pretty jealous of iPhone games -- I'd get that if mobile games were important to my phone-buying decision.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 11:01PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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@Weejo
See, you can still install Android apps outside the Android Market. At least, for most phones this is true. Usually, this is disabled by default, but can be enabled through the phone's options. By going to kongregate.com/android you can just download and install the app. Market isn't needed, but it does make it easier to keep the app updated.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 10:36PM FentonAlpha said

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Dear Android app store,
The Kongregate app is one of the shining examples of tech support that sets you apart from Apple and raises the bar significantly. I've wanted an iPhone for a while now but when i heard about the Kongregate app my direction was swayed to Android. Don't hurt yourselves by muzzling the advantages you hold over the competition.

Posted: Jan 20th 2011 11:07AM Negatron said

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@FentonAlpha

Exactly
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 1:51PM sigma8 said

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@FentonAlpha
There never was an advantage. Everyone thinks Android is some hippy open-source-a-palooza, but it's just another walled garden with crappier curators.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 1:53PM sigma8 said

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@sigma8
And by crappy, I mean Apple and Google will both shoot down stuff that affects their business interests. In a heartbeat. But beyond that, Apple only applies its beatdown stick to malicious or incredibly poor apps, whereas Google is cool with that kind of shovelware.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 2:26AM BlazeKing said

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"they claim you can't use their app store to distribute another app store"

That's weird since I got the T-Mobile App Pack from the market and that IS an app store. Did they recently set that restriction on all versions of the market or just the new one?

Posted: Jan 20th 2011 9:49AM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@BlazeKing

There's probably a bit of leniency in their, especially when it comes to service providers.

Not to mention that, based of my searching of the market place, you can only get the T-Mobile App Pack if you're on a T-Mobile plan.
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 11:58AM Kirkpad said

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Of course Google got rid of it. Flash games on a phone would mean the destruction of every other developer on both the Android and iPhone store. Too many games being sold on those marketplaces are just ported flash games.

Posted: Jan 20th 2011 1:50PM sigma8 said

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@Kirkpad
Uh, ok. Except, no? Wait, are you talking about all the crappy games (which, granted, is most of them), or the good ones?
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 3:15PM GUYVERUNIT4 said

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"...Don't be evil..."
Someone at Google forgot their company motto... way to Apple it up googs...

Posted: Jan 20th 2011 4:11PM nesscm said

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I downloaded this a couple of days ago directly from the Kongregate website, not the android app store. It's very cool and a shame that Google would do this as I also have downloaded and play hundreds of roms for various old consoles via emulators. What is the difference, they seem the same to me.

My app still works, and able to download and play games on it.

Posted: Jan 21st 2011 4:44PM Wizard Lee said

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4.5 says "Non-Compete. You may not use the Market to distribute or make available any Product whose primary purpose is to facilitate the distribution of Products outside of the Market," and Product is "Software, content and digital materials created for Devices in accordance with the Android SDK and distributed via the Market."

Flash games on Kongregate are not "in accordance with the Android SDK" (you can play them with ordinary browsers) so they are not "Products". If you say these are Products, Other portal apps like Kindle also violate this condition. After all, only the word "Non-Compete" is the matter. NON COMPETE! All apps and campanies are competitive! Now we know Google can ban any apps by this term.

I can say this is very arbitrary and selfish removal. Disappointing.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 5:49AM PhreakNJ said

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Guy's technically we are also forgetting about the second part of the definition of "Products" not only is defined by software that is "in accordance with the Android SDK" but it also reads "...and distributed via the Market" so technically when examining the full sentence then both statements are false.
a) They are flash based games which means that they are not in accordance with the Android SDK since the games are not 100% dependent on the Android operating system or components there of but it is actually dependent on 3rd Party Plug-Ins of the components of the Android Operating System.
b) These games are not being distributed via the Market the games are being distributed through a 3rd party portal the portal is the one that is distributed through the Market.
The only way this would be valid would be if the games themselves were native Android applications and if these games were individually distributed through the Android Market also key part of the statement is the "and" part which makes both conditions mutually dependent if one is false they are both false.
So sorry Goog, hopefully this will be back up soon with an "oops" statement from Google and then all will be well.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 5:55AM PhreakNJ said

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- Also potentially I if this is found to comply with the Terms and Conditions of the Android Market, it could lead to potential abuse on the android market and even possibly a revision of those Terms and Conditions which depending on how it would be enforced could cause all existing apps that meet this criteria would also be removed from the Market or a clause stating all existing apps would continue to be allowed in their current state but any modification of such apps that would cause a further breach of those terms would then cause to loose it's grandfather clause and be subject to the new Terms and Conditions.
- So really, it's an interesting situation that impacts the Android community greatly so let's see how this turns out.

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