Github removes PS3 jailbreak files after Sony sends DMCA takedown notice

@Demachine So you would expect them to do nothing? Sore loser or trying to diminish their losses? Sometimes you people on the internet are insane when it comes to this stuff. This is no different than a movie studio goes after a bit torrent website, which they have the right to do.

@Demachine say i buy a pick lock, i'm entitled to do whatever the hell i want with it because it's my picklock. i decide to picklock every friggin lock on anything you own just because it's my picklock used for that, and i let everyone gain access to your house, would you just let them in?

yes? awesome! party at your place + grand theft auto :)

@sammo21
i think he just meant to take a different action, instead of taking down stuff
and sitting back, start laying the ban hammer down

@sammo21 he's not saying he expects sony not to do anything, he's saying he expects sony to do something more intelligent and productive like microsoft did.
Sometimes you people on the internet are insane when it comes to this stuff, at least you could have read the whole post. And yes this is no different than a movie studio goes after a bit torrent website, which they have the right to do, but it is as inefficient as your example, they'd better sell the dvds at lower price and digitally.

@Demachine
I have absolutely NO IDEA why you were downvoted. I guess many of the readers here have their heads up their asses as far as Sony does.

@Kage25
Except, in order for your analogy to work, you would only be able to use that pick lock on YOUR house.
These hackers aren't opening up YOUR system, the choice is yours.

@sammo21

Did you even read the whole thing? I clearly said what they should do...

Have you seen Microsoft and Nintendo going after specific websites with DMCA notices???

The homebrew group is a huge community and a lot of them are not just hackers doing it for free games. There is this saying that if you OWN a console, you have the right to do anything with it as long as your not promoting piracy. I am all for hacking consoles to run applications and other stuff.

Now back to sony, what I am saying is that Sony should try to increase their own security rather than running to places trying to stop the files from spreading.

It's like a chess game, you make a move then your opponent does. You can't stop your opponent from making a move but you can counter his with your own. That's what microsoft has been recently doing and I am liking that.

@mywhitenoise

Fact that some people blindly follow Sony (fanboys), it's obvious they didn't even completely read what I said nor did they understood it.

I really don't care about the downvotes or upvotes. I say what I feel is right.

Let the intelligience of interwebs amuse you.

@Demachine

How do you increase security in the security that has been breached is a technical issue. Yeah, you can ban the odd few, but that isn't stopping them from passing the code around like a baton. The people who are hacking thier consoles don't care for PSN anyway, so what does that matter to them.

Thats like telling a burgler you won't make him dinner if he breaks into your house, so what, just go somewhere else and get it. Most likely they'll have two PS3s, or they have a different console.

Its easy to say just do what Microsoft does but that's going by the theory that hackers give a monkeys about online, come off it, if you really cared about online, would you hack in the first place?

@Demachine Huh, both sides, aside from Demachine, are blued...so the once great opinionated Joystiq Biomass can't make up its mind on this one?

@Demachine

Why is it so hard for people to understand IT'S TO LATE!... even thou Sony are having these files take down... the damage is already done and the files are already circulating the web, Sony had a good run and piracy finally caught up... it's best Sony start waving the ban hammer... which will only lead to people selling there ps3 consoles online or at gamestop so beware.... not to mention the nonstop firmware updates which after a while will be annoying as hell...

@Demachine Seriously. Do they think every web server is located in the US? DMCA only applies here, and the stuff is being mirrored all over foreign servers.

And Joystiq obviously isn't doing any good staying on top of this stuff. The takedown notices went out on the 26th or 27th.

BTW, just as another note to all the Sony-sucking fanboys talking sh!t about the hackers and how all they want to do is pirate and cheat, if any of you took a second to check out any of the actual hacking forums after the Black Ops bans went out last week, you'd see that over 90% of the posts were from hackers/CFW-users laughing at the people that got banned, saying they deserved it, and talking about how only b!tches and losers hack online games.

Also, while so many say CFW is "just for piracy," they've obviously got their heads where the sun don't shine. How many of you know that they've discovered a way to enable remote play for ANY game? Even disc-based games. Too bad Sony, for whatever reason, doesn't want to let you use it unless they bless it from on high.

But hey, ride high and mighty on your anti-CFW horsey if it makes you feel good.

P.S. I differentiate between Sony-sucking fanboys and PS3 fanboys. I'm a PS3 fanboy. It's an awesome machine that kicks the crap out of the 360 both in terms of hardware and software. I've got two PS3s (just traded one of my fats in for a slim), two Moves, a couple dozen disc-based games and over a hundred PSN games. All purchased legit. And no, neither one of my systems is hacked, but as soon as they come up with a stable, stealth CFW that allows safe PSN access, you can be damn sure I'm gonna use it. Universal remote play is reason enough for me.

@mywhitenoise what if my house is his house? oh ho ho ho~
i already knew something was wrong with the analogy, but it's close to what i was getting at. was too friggin tired at the time....

@Kage25 The more appropriate analogy here is actually -
"Hey, There's a room in my house that I bought four years ago that's been locked off by the builder! How dare he do that, It's my property, and I own this house! It's a good thing my friends built a lockpick that I can use to open the door and use the room now, isn't it?"

@mywhitenoise - No, they're not cracking my system. But once the piracy and cracking starts, they will be affecting me.

Cracked games online? That would be like they broke in to my neighbours house and kept me awake all night with loud music.

Piracy? That would be like them letting squatters into several houses around me and devaluing the property.

These things always have a knock-on effect for the wider community, and to say "it doesn't bother or affect me" is a ridiculously blinkered view to take.

Want proof? I've never hacked or CFW'd my PSP, yet there are precious few decent games for me to play on it. Why? Because it's so hacked and pirated that few developers want to make games for it. So despite me having nothing at all to do with CFW, PSP piracy has had a direct affect on me. That's where the stupid "we cracked it for homebrew, not piracy" argument falls flat on its face.

@sammo21
Exactly who is the bitch in this situation? You do realize you CAN'T remove something from the internet. You can try, but it will ALWAYS be out there. Bitch.

@mywhitenoise

True, trying to remove something from the internet is like trying to push a fart back in. You can flail around as much as you want but it's not gonna do much good.

@Carl1412 Ahh great as if I wasnt mental distrubed enough already now I have this image in my head. Thank you very much joystiq!

@Carl1412
Would lions with lobster claws and wings be better?

@Carl1412
Then this should be even more disturbing

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs29/f/2008/051/d/0/Elephant_Spider_by_SquidgeeMoot.jpg

@SamE You're right, that's incredibly disturbing

@BlackLuigi7 Yes, but would they still have tusks or would they be replaced with mandibles. Granted they'd have to still have trunks, that's a given.

@Slayer15 gee, i didn't know sony owns joystiq.

@Slayer15 Exactly, with those constant firmware updates, with no new features, people are beginning to wonder what all these useless updates are for.

@Slayer15

Wrong Joystiq is advertising PS3 jailbreak by giving us news about Sony's fight against the internets. Oh yeah I said 'INTERNETS'

Sony should keep fighting, and they should learn from this when they create PS4 cause you know it that it is coming real soon. I am expecting release in 2012 and hope to see the machine at CES in 2012.

@mywhitenoise

Same here. What would it look like? I have no clue.

@Dante G
It would probably looked like this http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs29/f/2008/051/d/0/Elephant_Spider_by_SquidgeeMoot.jpg
as posted by SamE

@Agnostiq , I doubt sony is that stupid as to think it will stop it. At this point they know its out there and they know its going to spread, what they are doing is making life as annoying/hard as possible for the main people responsible... something well within their rights.

@Verglace
It's within their rights, and they know they won't succeed, but neither of those things make this any more reasonable an action. It's lawyers flexing and trying to make life difficult as you say for the main people responsible... but everything is out on torrents and got known how many thousands of web sites and by extension private people's computers, none of which will be affected. And the people etc. being targeted are just the tip of the iceberg. One could even argue that by going on the offensive like this (in ineffective ways, trying to intimidate etc.) they are actually provoking more hackers to have a go, and be more careful about how easy they are to track down... It's a case of cut off the head and 3 more heads will sprout up.

A more reasoned (and TOTALLY impossible based on sony's historic approach to dealing with moders) is what MS has done with the Kinect hackers, and some WP7 hackers as of late which is invite them into the fold, they obviously have some good ideas, why not leverage it. If someone can bypass your security don't attack them, hire them to make it better... But they have legal departments that need something to do, so they'll just stick with that... seemed to work well for the PSP.

@Agnostiq

Erm, you do realise hackers don't do this to get jobs, they do it for the thrill, most hackers wouldn't take a job if you handed it to them on a plate because it goes against what they live for. Everyone says 'just hire them', it would make more sense to directly ask the hacker how they gained access secretly so that the companies can make changes to those areas of security. That way the hacker continues to have the thrill of trying to break through the new changes and the company has a healthy reliable tester to say.

Hackers are everywhere and should a hacker hack into your PC and steal all your personal data etc and install things you didn't want on it, you too would complain and get upset.

@Spunky Monkey 190906
"Hacker" is a flexible term. People that break into computers to steal personal data, and people that have a hobby of breaking security systems (like Geo and Bunny, etc.) AND in a more general term anyone who writes code of ANY kind, can all be termed hackers. And that's just in the digital world.

Labeling someone as a hacker has a social stigma, but does not define them, their skills, or even what they are "hacking".

Further "hackers" are people too, and people live on earth, often in countries where money is useful. If you offer them money, they are likely to be more friendly to you, as would most people. The idea that all hackers are in it for fame and glory, have no interest in normal people things like money are tired stereotypes in the same vein as computer nerds with our big thick rimmed glasses.

In many instances when someone bypasses a security implementation they probably have an idea on how to fix the problem. And people, in general will do things for money, like tell you their ideas if you pay them enough... probably a lot less than a team of lawyers. Additionally you make friends with the "hacker" community that may be idolizing the individual, rather than provoking them. This is largely how computer security works in a grand scheme. "Researchers" (read "hackers" if you prefer) discover a security hole. They notify the manufacturers and, if they are ignored, often release their "research" thus exposing the problem. A "zero day" threat is one in which they didn't quietly give the developers a chance to fix things, but just released their code, or began doing nefarious things with it. There's a term for it, that's what Geo did. If MS sued everyone that found a hole in windows they could ONLY employ lawyers with their billions of dollars.

@Agnostiq

You can't go around idolizing all hackers, that doesnt make sense, there is a difference between creativity and just downright being a pain in the ass. The kinect hackers are being creative and helping to sell more Kinects for those interested in beyond gaming. Geohot on the other hand isn't helping to sell anything by giving people access to illegal software, if he was doing something to better the PS3, then yeah, he could be condoned for his efforts and maybe, just maybe, Sony might try to hire him or condone his work. Sony after all likes indie developers.

What you're saying is like saying I should congratulate a burglar for entering my home illegally and even pay him to break in again, or congratulate a robber for robbing a bank, heck, why don't they praise all those who hacked into NASA and CIA databases and give them a job.

You do realise you would labeled a pilock if you paid everyone that tried to hack into your tech or databases, you can't go around offering all hackers a job and money, what do you think this is, free service? If thats the case, I should take up hacking illegally too, there is better job prospects for me then being an honest individual looking for work.

No, the hacking isn't benefitting me because I feel cheated if other people are getting the games I paid for for free even if Geohot isn't responsible for that directly, it isn't benefitting the developers and it isn't benefitting Sony. So the only other reason I can think for not preventing it is so that it doesnt get further publisized.

@Demachine I like my bank robbing analogy. Hacking into someone else's server is like robbing a bank, obviously illegal and should be. I don't see the bank getting paid to put safes in people's houses, only to tell them not to touch it. "It's for making you look rich. But we can bust in your house anytime to see how much you touch it, or to put a cover on it so it doesn't look like a safe, or share your personal info with advertisers."

I really don't understand why no one gets this. If you sell me a piece of equipment I can do what I want with it.

Although, publicly distributing a way to do the work I did, IS illegal. People seem to confuse those two points. However, it isn't illegal for me to tell my friend about it, just as it is not illegal to borrow a game from him. And now technology has made the world your best friend. Get used to it. You can't have your cake (internet) and eat it too (keep people from sharing).

@Narutogameking

YES, that's exactly the case [/sarcasm]

That's why I applauded Microsoft's effort to ban thousands hacked console that were taken online.

1- Read it again.
2- Try to comprehend what was said.
3- Come back and comment again.

@Dizazter

Was gonna say that...all this will do it make it much *much* worse.

Take the files down on one site and your guaranteed to see them show up on 10 others.