Sony looking to expand jailbreak lawsuit to more defendants

@JnRx 1 2 Sony's coming for you ಥ_ಥ

@JnRx

3, 4 They'll sue some more

@Draco

5 6, hackers shitting bricks.

@JnRx 3-4 they'll knock on your door
5-6 they'll beat you to bits?

@PSBuckshot damn I'm late

@Draco

5, 6 no hope of patch or fix

@JnRx 7, 8, they're gonna legislate?

@Scuffles 7,8 hater gonna hate :D

I also would have accepted
7, 8 they're gonna litigate.

9, 10 ..... I got nothing ......
I was going to go with "here come the lawyer men" which I guess works but it just doesn't seem to mesh for whatever reason.

@Scuffles

I know you guys are referring to Nightmare On Elm Street, but all I can think of is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je3tP5YxAls

@JnRx oh my gods

@oOWallaceOo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcP91tQ4ZSM

@JnRx 9, 10, never hack again?

@Carl1412 Or, 9 10, they'll JUST hack again

11, 12, Sony'll hack it themselves

@BlackedOut

3-4 Sony will...

d'oh

@BlackedOut 13, 14 unseen for life

@MystileArmor

"Hackers shitting bricks?"

I don't think so. They're laughing their asses off at this impotent strongarm BS.

BTW, to all the idiots that don't know the difference between hackers, cheaters, and pirates, and are too busy riding Sony's jock to even try to understand these things, below is the response of KaKaRoTo, one of the CFW developers, to an email accusing him of hacking MW2:

Hi [private],

I get a lot of hate mail recently from people who have no idea about who I am and what I do. Thank you for being polite and respectful. For this reason, you are the first one to whom I will reply.

I do not hack MW2, I don’t have MW2, I never bought it and never tried it. I hate FPS shooters, the only ones I ever played were Resistance 2 and Killzone 2, and I never played those in multiplayer, only single player campaigns.

I am not responsible for whoever is hacking your MW2 servers, the real people to yell at are those 10 years olds in their basement thinking they’re all great for doing stuff like that.

They should be reported and their account banned, but that is beyond my control.

What I do however is completely different, I defend you, I defend you from Sony’s unacceptable behavior. Imagine if for some reason, Microsoft or Apple (Windows or Mac OSX) were acting like Sony, and that you couldn’t access anything on your computer without their authorization? You want to install Skype, you can’t because Microsoft didn’t “approve” it.. because they want you to use MSN Messenger instead… Then where is your freedom on your own machine ?

Also, what about the fact that they removed Linux support. Sony removed an advertised feature! I bought my PS3 *because* it had linux support, then they removed it. Maybe you didn’t use it, maybe very few people used that feature, but that is beyond the point. Just recently, Norway came to the conclusion that what Sony did was unlawful and there are countless lawsuits against what they did. And this sets a precedent.

Imagine if tomorrow Sony says “in the next firmware update, we will remove from the PS3 support of playing Bluray movies and DVDs”.. you bought the PS3 for that, you use that feature (or maybe you don’t, the issue is that someone else does), and they can just remove an advertised feature? It’s illegal, but why can they do it even if it’s illegal? For one simple reason, they have total control over the machine. They could very well do it, then say “pay a 100$ subscription per year to enable that feature”. The machine *can* do it, it did before, but they block it on purpose because they don’t care about their customers.

Recently George Hotz got sued by Sony because he accessed *HIS* PS3 system that he bought. He owns it, if he wants to put it in a blender or throw it out the window, it’s his right, but Sony sues him for “hacking into a protected computer owned by Sony”.. so for them, that PS3 that you own and that you bought with your hard-earned money is NOT YOURS, it’s still theirs, it’s like you rented it (but you didn’t). If you try to access your own computer, they could sue you, just as if you tried to hack into your bank’s server somewhere.. and that isn’t right.
Sony tries to make it seem like they own your PS3 and they own the PS3 that is in everyone’s houses across the world, and that simply isn’t right and it should be made illegal for them to act that way.

Long story short, this is what I do, I let people gain access to the hardware they own, what I do is 100% legal in my country (Canada), and it is equivalent to the recent DMCA Exemption for jailbreaking phones. Now, if someone uses that to do nasty things, you have two people to blame :
1 – the stupid kid who did it
2 – the developers of MW2 that didn’t write their program correctly.

There are many FPS shooters on the PC, and people can install what they want on their PC, that doesn’t make it impossible to play an FPS game on a PC, simply because the developers write their code correctly to prevents the cheaters from cheating.

Anyways, I hope that my explanation makes everything clearer to you, and that you will not judge me for what I do, because I am not a cheater, I am a freedom fighter.

Thank you,
KaKaRoTo

@End User

I've got no issue at all with Hackers turning their PS3's into helicopters if they want - but when they share the code online, enabling piracy, then it's like me putting guns outside my house for people to use and then suggesting I'm completely blameless when someone takes one and shoots someone. The hackers have made the tools available to enable piracy (and I don't want to hear any of that crock about the code having anti-hacking limitations in it - those restrictions were cracked in hours - which if Hotz is half the hacker he says he is, means he put them in their as straw men, not real blocks) - and then put them out on the web for anyone to access. They're providing resources to pirates, which makes them the enemy of gamers. It's just like if I was supplying arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan I'd be the enemy of the NATO coalition.

Hack all you like, but when you supply the code to pirates, you become part of the problem.

@End User

he's not the most eloquent person in the world, but i agree with his points. blame needs to be put on the end users who misuse his hacks.

although the "freedom fighter" line at the end was pretty cheesy.

@End User I agree with you, but I think Sony, seeing this is not a problem they can solve with updates, is just trying to delay or stop the advances that people like you are doing. I don't know if they own the code or the hardware but anyways the methods they are using are beyond wrong, they should focus better in improving the security in the games if the hardware cannot be modified to avoid that.

@MystileArmor

7-8

anti piracy jokes are kinda late

@JnRx Not only is Sony "coming for all of" them," but they don't even need to come and confess, because Sony is gonna find them.

@PR0F3TA


honestly, Sony is going at this the wrong way. As a neutral party that just want's to play games, Sony should worry about tightening security within the PS3 and hope for the best, pis$ing off hackers is just going to end up bad for everyone. :-/

@PR0F3TA

Well, what else can the hackers do, really? They've already broke the PS3 and PSP wide open.

Maybe they'll try extra hard to break the NGP/PS4 or whatever, but they would do that anyway. =P

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Your assuming this stays bottled up to the PSX family of products....

I think this is one of those situations where sony should just walk away.

Because the internet has serious ADD and if you stop paying attention to it.... it gets bored and wonders away ..... continued pokery is the equivalent of cyber ritalin.

@PR0F3TA

Sony is just making good use of the litigation money they already spent.

"Well, we've already paid all these lawyers to allow us to sue people... lets get everyone else!"

"YEAH!!!!" (grabs pitchfork)

@Esposch That's what she said :D

@Esposch

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk19/Threddd/1288410721030.gif

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Well, that was an epic fail. I guess, given my love of Gifs, I should spring for some Pro action.

@Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Or just use a decent hosting service like Imgur.

@archipelagos

To complete the analogy, does this mean Sony is hopped up on hallucinogenic drugs and about to keel over?

I'm sure Sony has enough resources to try and tighten security and fix the damage done as well as sue the shit of of the hackers in question.

@Lagunamov

Actually it would be interesting to see what happened if they just put other OS back ..... It really wasn't all that important in my book but it was the martyred feature that started this shitstorm a rollin'

I mean its doubtful but maybe if they had just put it back people would have lost interest and moved on to other nefarious projects :P

@Scuffles From what I've seen on the scene, OtherOS WAS what triggered all this in the first place. Devs had a place to mess around with,so they were content. Once removed, Sony brought the shitstorm to themselves since it was important to those that could actually put a dent in them. Many simply want that. The majority of the rest want backups so they can give their BD drives a couple extra years of longevity.

And then at the third place you got those who just want to pirate games, never buying anything. And even then, those are the kind who wouldn't have bought anything in the first place. Seriously, many posts asking for help with CFW from noobs are from people who bought a PS3 explicitly AFTER all this happened and because of it.

@Lagunamov
To think that OtherOS was the catalyst is short-sighted. Do you really think there was nobody trying to hack a PS3 because they could run Linux? Did removing it press people into action differently? Perhaps. Hackers hack, whatever their goal. They don't say "Oooh, here's a shiny new machine I can jailbre...wait a sec...it runs Linux? Nevermind."

@Quest It lasted 4 years before someone found the keys, which were pretty much there to be found with simple apps. OtherOS WAS the catalyst, like it or not. And before CFW and backups, they started to research how to bring that back.

The dongle jailbreak is a different matter. Can't even say for sure if that was achieved through hacking or leaked information from Sony.

@Quest

Not to say people were not working on it before that because they obviously were. But removing other OS I'm sure caused renewed vigor to be directed to that end.

Probably pulling back people who had given up on trying and pulling in people who didn't care to try up to that point.

There is nothing to suggest that leaving Other OS would have prevented this exact scenario but it probably would have slowed it down significantly. That sounds like a catalyst to me.

@Lagunamov

To say removing the Other OS was the catalyst is right and wrong. It did snow ball from there but really people we're trying to hack the PS3 all the time and didn't find a way. Sony thought as a fail-safe measure they would remove the Other OS feature which then lead to the discovering of the Overflow issue. To people who say Sony should be mature or not go after those responsible either A) Support hacking or B) Don't understand the shit storm thats about to happen.

People can hack their PS3 now and play online with others. Hacking iso's and home brewing by all means go for it. But don't ruin online gaming for others because you suck at a game or just want to be a douche.

@Lagunamov

SCE is probably working on the advice of Sony BGM, who thinks that the appropriate tactic for dealing with anything they don't like is by trying to sue a few unfortunates into the dirt

It didn't work in music, and if anything it'll make things worse here, as it'll prompt a few self-righteous hackers to try and fight back.

@Mr Khan I'd be more worried about the precedent it'd give if Sony were to win. It would not only allow companies to sue people who research security flaws (which is legal) and post them for sharing knowledge (also legal), but it'd also set the precedent that companies actually DO own what we paid for and we are unable to do anything to it that we may want to. Not to mention that this lawsuit is in conflict with the ruling of the iPhone jailbreak, that while it is a different device, is in essence, the same deal.

@Lagunamov well the accepted 'black hat' approach is that you share your security findings with the hacked systems creator first, let them fix it and only then announce your findings.