Perhaps unsurprisingly, Call of Juarez: The Cartel has angered officials in Mexico. State legislators in the border town of Ciudad Juarez (located in the state of Chihuahua) have asked the Mexican government to impose a ban, arguing that the game's content could potentially make light of recent drug violence across the region and cause children to grow up with a "lack of values."
"It is true there is a serious crime situation, which we are not trying to hide," Ricardo Boone Salmon, a congressman for Chihuahua state, told MSNBC. "But we also should not expose children to this kind of scenarios so that they are going to grow up with this kind of image and lack of values." A rating with the ESRB has yet to surface, though the two prior installments both garnered a Mature rating -- the official site's promised "bloody road trip from Los Angeles to Juarez, Mexico" certainly suggests it'll follow suit.
State congress leader Enrique Serrano reiterated the needs of the children. "They believe so much blood and death is normal," he said. "Children wind up being easily involved in criminal acts over time, because among other things, during their childhood not enough care has been taken about what they see on television and playing video games." Of course, all of this is predicated upon children playing the game and, aside from the usual argument that parents should be active in their kids' lives, we'd have to say that -- actually, that's about it.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:53PM Oldtaku said
Yeah, fine, ban the game in Chihuahua. That's reasonable.
It's also the least of your problems, but I guess this gives you something else to complain about instead of 50+ killings in three days.
It's also the least of your problems, but I guess this gives you something else to complain about instead of 50+ killings in three days.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:18AM Hunter141072 said
@Oldtaku
I´m Mexican and i think that is bullsh**t, really why they don´t use all that energy on doing SOMETHING so what happens in Juarez was more fantasy for a video game than the true. Do they think nobody outside Mexico knows the kind of crappy state Juarez is??? really?? just a couple of weeks ago the friend of a guy i know just disappeared while he was crossing Juarez state on his way to visit some friends, what has the police done so far?? NOTHING, but they are afraid that a game can give a bad image of a state that is already considered dangerous by us Mexicans??? great.....
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I´m Mexican and i think that is bullsh**t, really why they don´t use all that energy on doing SOMETHING so what happens in Juarez was more fantasy for a video game than the true. Do they think nobody outside Mexico knows the kind of crappy state Juarez is??? really?? just a couple of weeks ago the friend of a guy i know just disappeared while he was crossing Juarez state on his way to visit some friends, what has the police done so far?? NOTHING, but they are afraid that a game can give a bad image of a state that is already considered dangerous by us Mexicans??? great.....
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 5:10AM PR0F3TA said
@Hunter141072
i'm also mexican and like the guy said, its banned but so what, to quote him "It's also the least of your problems"... true, it really really is. The situation thee right now is no joke or funny. People are losing their life at an alarming rate for no reason at all.
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i'm also mexican and like the guy said, its banned but so what, to quote him "It's also the least of your problems"... true, it really really is. The situation thee right now is no joke or funny. People are losing their life at an alarming rate for no reason at all.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:13PM Hunter141072 said
@PR0F3TA
To be honest that is not a solution, "it´s banned so what" it´s not the way to see this, why?? because this only shows that our government is more worried in "covering" the extremely bad image that Juarez has instead of doing something..... This shows the kind of idiots that we have as part of our government, they know that a game based in Juarez is coming but they don´t know why more than 300 women are killed in Juarez??? REAL women, not polygons with big breasts...... but they are worried that this game can cause kids to become serial killers??? right what about this:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/727737.html
For all the non English speakers that is a note about a kid who was captured by the army nicknamed "el ponchis" he is 14 years old and he is a hitman for the drug dealers who has killed at least 4 guys. Guess why he did this?? the cartel took him and ordered him to do so otherwise they´d have killed him.... he didn´t learn this on a game, it was the REAL drug dealers who teach him, how to kill. But of course for the authorities is easier to ban a game than to get real criminals.........
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To be honest that is not a solution, "it´s banned so what" it´s not the way to see this, why?? because this only shows that our government is more worried in "covering" the extremely bad image that Juarez has instead of doing something..... This shows the kind of idiots that we have as part of our government, they know that a game based in Juarez is coming but they don´t know why more than 300 women are killed in Juarez??? REAL women, not polygons with big breasts...... but they are worried that this game can cause kids to become serial killers??? right what about this:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/727737.html
For all the non English speakers that is a note about a kid who was captured by the army nicknamed "el ponchis" he is 14 years old and he is a hitman for the drug dealers who has killed at least 4 guys. Guess why he did this?? the cartel took him and ordered him to do so otherwise they´d have killed him.... he didn´t learn this on a game, it was the REAL drug dealers who teach him, how to kill. But of course for the authorities is easier to ban a game than to get real criminals.........
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:53PM eNriqeu said
I'm Mexican and I think this is full of BS.
The government is full BS.
The government is full BS.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:10PM mywhitenoise said
@Dreyesbo
What they need to do is just decriminalize/legalize all drugs that way there wont be a need for a cartel. People who do drugs are going to do them anyway, making them illegal doesn't help anyone.
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What they need to do is just decriminalize/legalize all drugs that way there wont be a need for a cartel. People who do drugs are going to do them anyway, making them illegal doesn't help anyone.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:31PM eNriqeu said
@eNriqeu
Just wanted to add a map of internet censorship,
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/imagenes/mapacensura.jpg
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Just wanted to add a map of internet censorship,
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/imagenes/mapacensura.jpg
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:06AM GuardianLegend said
@mywhitenoise
I agree with the decriminalization idea, but there would still be many thousands of drug cartel personnel that need to be brought to justice. These people facilitated or directly participated in the murder of Mexican law enforcement, amongst others.
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I agree with the decriminalization idea, but there would still be many thousands of drug cartel personnel that need to be brought to justice. These people facilitated or directly participated in the murder of Mexican law enforcement, amongst others.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:23AM DrDrew Pinsky said
@mywhitenoise This is so hilariously wrong, and I'm convinced you'd either have to be mentally ill or an addict to believe anything good could come from that.
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Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:45AM ihatepandas said
@mywhitenoise they cant do that because most of the money that circulates comes from the cartels. they spend ridiculous amounts of money on boots, fire arms, cars, and parties which helps the economy. take away the drug money and all that remains is the money the government steals. point is this game is only telling a story. whether its true or false wont change reality.
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Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 1:38AM Juaritos said
I was born and raised in Juarez and don't believe banning a game is going to do anything to deter the violence that has been raging for several years now. The things going on down there are so horrific that not even this game could possibly duplicate. I would be willing to make a bet that none of these animals commiting these murders have even heard of the "Call of Juarez" games.
See for yourself the level of violence. http://www.diariodelnarco.com/2011/01/fotos-z-descuartizados-en-montemorelos.html
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See for yourself the level of violence. http://www.diariodelnarco.com/2011/01/fotos-z-descuartizados-en-montemorelos.html
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 2:36AM theSkillfull1 said
@Juaritos
After viewing that site, it's safe to say that no game, ever...EVER can equal or even touch the level of brutality taking place in some areas of Mexico.
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After viewing that site, it's safe to say that no game, ever...EVER can equal or even touch the level of brutality taking place in some areas of Mexico.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 7:54AM Jack Kevorkian said
@Juaritos ffs man its early in the morning here...
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:53PM BloodShotRobot said
Is it racist that I read all those quotes with a mexican accent in my head?
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:07PM BananaBoat said
@BloodShotRobot - Si. Lo leí de esa manera también, aunque.
(All blame to Google Translate if the above is gibberish)
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(All blame to Google Translate if the above is gibberish)
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:07AM GuardianLegend said
@BloodShotRobot
I kinda think so, yeah. Are you a racist though?
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I kinda think so, yeah. Are you a racist though?
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:56PM antv said
Really, this game is the least of worries in Juarez, what with the video-game-level violence that takes place there.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:57PM 24hourpartypal said
Somehow this doesn't feel as your 'average game ban', I kind of see the point. I'm against censure, but Mexico's situation is rather serious, and I can see why they don't want a game about drug cartels.
Sure, the game's influence is questionable, but is a lot easier to believe than "Manhunt turns kids into serial-killers"
Sure, the game's influence is questionable, but is a lot easier to believe than "Manhunt turns kids into serial-killers"
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:16PM BananaBoat said
@24hourpartypal - It kind of all depends how tactful the situation is handled. Also, it obviously matters which side the protagonist of the video game is on, which we aren't likely to know until the game is out.
Having said that, I have a feeling that this game is going to get Six Day's in Fallujah'd, or Medal of Honored. I'm not saying that it should be (I hate censorship with a fiery passion) but if a game about something half a world away is too hot button for North Americans, something happening on our border is surely going to be.
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Having said that, I have a feeling that this game is going to get Six Day's in Fallujah'd, or Medal of Honored. I'm not saying that it should be (I hate censorship with a fiery passion) but if a game about something half a world away is too hot button for North Americans, something happening on our border is surely going to be.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:31PM Shadowbender said
@24hourpartypal
It would make sense if they were banning this in respect to what's going on, but sounding a bit ignorant when they talk about it turning kids into monsters. Is it true that children get access to mature games? Absolutely, why am I even asking this? But video games ratings need to be universally understood with parents. If a kid were to ask their parents if they could hit up an R-rated film on television, odds are, that rating worries parents to great lengths, and they won't allow it. Games ratings systems need to be as widely known as the MPAA. The fact that if a parent is concerned with their child playing a mature game, and they ask someone if it's rated G, is a point of concern from me: Why hasn't an E rating become as second nature as a G rating?
That's my issue here.
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It would make sense if they were banning this in respect to what's going on, but sounding a bit ignorant when they talk about it turning kids into monsters. Is it true that children get access to mature games? Absolutely, why am I even asking this? But video games ratings need to be universally understood with parents. If a kid were to ask their parents if they could hit up an R-rated film on television, odds are, that rating worries parents to great lengths, and they won't allow it. Games ratings systems need to be as widely known as the MPAA. The fact that if a parent is concerned with their child playing a mature game, and they ask someone if it's rated G, is a point of concern from me: Why hasn't an E rating become as second nature as a G rating?
That's my issue here.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:36PM eNriqeu said
@24hourpartypal
Just wanted to add a map of internet censorship,
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/imagenes/mapacensura.jpg
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Just wanted to add a map of internet censorship,
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/imagenes/mapacensura.jpg
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:49PM GuardianLegend said
@24hourpartypal
I agree with 24hour. Just because this game is "the least of their worries" doesn't make it right.
This game is exploiting real world death and carnage, some of which probably happened in the past 24 hours. Also, it further makes it seem like that video gamers are insensitive, brutish, and nihilistic.
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I agree with 24hour. Just because this game is "the least of their worries" doesn't make it right.
This game is exploiting real world death and carnage, some of which probably happened in the past 24 hours. Also, it further makes it seem like that video gamers are insensitive, brutish, and nihilistic.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:52PM BananaBoat said
@BananaBoat - *tactfully, rather
@Shadowbender - Until old people retire, and we are in charge, video games will be a social pariah. One day, we will get to pick what we'd like to make a social pariah. My money is on us choosing holo-porn. What's next after holo-porn? Holo-hookers? Holo-estiality? We've got to nip this in the bud, for the children!
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@Shadowbender - Until old people retire, and we are in charge, video games will be a social pariah. One day, we will get to pick what we'd like to make a social pariah. My money is on us choosing holo-porn. What's next after holo-porn? Holo-hookers? Holo-estiality? We've got to nip this in the bud, for the children!
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:58PM RuleBook said
I guess they don't want to get the message to the general public because no one will see it! It aired on MSNBC
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 10:59PM Jovany4Fingers said
@ BloodShotRobot Nope not at all. Happens to me all the time when i read books accents just pop in my head too.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:07PM I am a machineee said
I came in here ready to make a comment about them trying to keep people from thinking about all their cartel stupidity but after reading the article, I agree: it isn't a good idea for the kids there to take the cartel as anything less than serious. It's a huge disturbing problem that needs to be dealt with. Some of you 12 year olds need to realize this, not say something about censorship or put it like mommy trying to hide the bad games from you.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:09PM I am a machineee said
@I am a machineee Also wanted to add that these kids should not see a glamorized version of this and want to go off to join.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:21PM willooi said
@I am a machineee
I agree with you. Usually in these situations a lot is made out of nothing, but this time round it's different. Of course if the game itself was going to take a serious view on the issues at hand, highlighting the horrors of drug trafficking and the impacts on families and communities, etc then fair enough - however the premise for this game is absolutely awful and I'll be honestly surprised if this title is anything more than a substandard Saints Row rip off trying to also cash-in on Red Dead Redemption's Western genre success.
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I agree with you. Usually in these situations a lot is made out of nothing, but this time round it's different. Of course if the game itself was going to take a serious view on the issues at hand, highlighting the horrors of drug trafficking and the impacts on families and communities, etc then fair enough - however the premise for this game is absolutely awful and I'll be honestly surprised if this title is anything more than a substandard Saints Row rip off trying to also cash-in on Red Dead Redemption's Western genre success.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 7:44AM Pharoah4187 said
@I am a machineee
There are a lot of issues at play here. On the one, there is the obvious issue of censorship. There isn't much to say about that, except that's what it is.
The other big issue has been mentioned a bit, and that is how the game is portraying the situation. If it's glamorizing the drugs and violence and making it seem attractive, in an area where the drugs and violence is already taken to extremes, then perhaps the game truly is in bad taste and needs to be shelved. If it is a realistic portrayal, or the game is used as a medium to critique the situation, then it is 100% legit and I would argue probably NEEDS to be released. Unfortunately I don't know much about it beyond what I've read here on Joystiq. Much like Six Days in Fallujah, it is perhaps close to home and a little too true for people to be comfortable with the idea, but that is part of what art is all about.
Also as has been pointed out, Mexico has bigger problems to deal with than wasting the resources necessary to ban this game. Banning the game is not going to magically make the violence go away. Honestly, it probably will not have any effect on the situation at all, whether it is released or not.
That was longer than intended, so I'll stop now.
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There are a lot of issues at play here. On the one, there is the obvious issue of censorship. There isn't much to say about that, except that's what it is.
The other big issue has been mentioned a bit, and that is how the game is portraying the situation. If it's glamorizing the drugs and violence and making it seem attractive, in an area where the drugs and violence is already taken to extremes, then perhaps the game truly is in bad taste and needs to be shelved. If it is a realistic portrayal, or the game is used as a medium to critique the situation, then it is 100% legit and I would argue probably NEEDS to be released. Unfortunately I don't know much about it beyond what I've read here on Joystiq. Much like Six Days in Fallujah, it is perhaps close to home and a little too true for people to be comfortable with the idea, but that is part of what art is all about.
Also as has been pointed out, Mexico has bigger problems to deal with than wasting the resources necessary to ban this game. Banning the game is not going to magically make the violence go away. Honestly, it probably will not have any effect on the situation at all, whether it is released or not.
That was longer than intended, so I'll stop now.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:13PM Danzaiver said
Google a blog called El Blog del Narco, there is so much gore in that blog, the cartel is so fck up they torture and mutillate people in such horrible ways, I don't know if they are going to get offended by this game and start burning game stores because that could be a very good reason for not selling that game in Mexico.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:17PM sharks4sharks said
Mexico has already banned songs on the radio that glorify the cartels. I don't see anything wrong with this censorship. These games and popular media are just idolizing a lawlessness that is only further aiding the state of disrepair the border states are in. And anything that the government does, even if small, counts.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:36PM CaptainProtonX said
@sharks4sharks
Stopping the cartels would be slightly more helpful.
....just saying.
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Stopping the cartels would be slightly more helpful.
....just saying.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:00AM GuardianLegend said
@CaptainProtonX
You know, it doesn't take much effort to ban a video game. Stopping drug cartels which have automatic weapons, anti tank weapons, and even surface-to-air missiles is quite a bigger feat.
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You know, it doesn't take much effort to ban a video game. Stopping drug cartels which have automatic weapons, anti tank weapons, and even surface-to-air missiles is quite a bigger feat.
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 12:22AM Hunter141072 said
@sharks4sharks
It counts only if you are an idiot who thinks that banning a game is going to stop those kids of juarez to buy drugs, and to become drug dealers. Have you see the kind of guys that are captured who are the real crazy maniacs?? some of them don´t even know how to write not to mantion how to play a game. so yeah, a lot is going to happen for banning a game, right.....
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It counts only if you are an idiot who thinks that banning a game is going to stop those kids of juarez to buy drugs, and to become drug dealers. Have you see the kind of guys that are captured who are the real crazy maniacs?? some of them don´t even know how to write not to mantion how to play a game. so yeah, a lot is going to happen for banning a game, right.....
Posted: Feb 22nd 2011 2:42AM CheveLoco said
@Hunter141072 Maybe is not just because kids will want to be part of the Cartel just because of the game but if other situations in games are considered to be "too soon" then what do you call it when its something that's currently going on? Would any of us be excited if there was an upcoming game based on the events of 9/11? Would it make kids want to crash planes on buildings? Would you be ok with something of such bad taste being turned into a videogame?
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Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:20PM Shadowbender said
RATINGS. Ratings actually exist with video games, people. I know that concept seems really bizarre, but it's true.
And I find it funny that people will blame games for child/teen violence, when in fact, video games are more violent than they were in 1999, and yet, we haven't seen another high school catastrophe in recent years.
Tucson shootings don't count. That guy (in his early 20s, by the way), was just plain crazy. All there is to it.
And I find it funny that people will blame games for child/teen violence, when in fact, video games are more violent than they were in 1999, and yet, we haven't seen another high school catastrophe in recent years.
Tucson shootings don't count. That guy (in his early 20s, by the way), was just plain crazy. All there is to it.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:34PM ShadowOp814 said
@Shadowbender
Sadly, I know plenty of kids who find ways to get their hands on games they really shouldn't. It's not just the kids, its the parents; but ratings dont keep a majority of games out of these kids' hands.
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Sadly, I know plenty of kids who find ways to get their hands on games they really shouldn't. It's not just the kids, its the parents; but ratings dont keep a majority of games out of these kids' hands.
Posted: Feb 21st 2011 11:38PM ShadowOp814 said
@Shadowbender
*CLARIFY*
I'm not saying that this justifies censorship, I'm just saying that it's kinda like marijuana... If people want it, they're gonna find a way to get it. I'm also not saying that they should remove ratings... Guess I'm just stating an observation.
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*CLARIFY*
I'm not saying that this justifies censorship, I'm just saying that it's kinda like marijuana... If people want it, they're gonna find a way to get it. I'm also not saying that they should remove ratings... Guess I'm just stating an observation.
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