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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:33PM MSKiller aka Sony4life said

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Might have to get this, the demo was pretty good!

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 7:21PM Godslegion said

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@MSKiller aka Sony4life

I played the demo, liked it a lot, and all I need right now is a hack and slash, loot new armor/weapons and keep on rollin kind of game. I figure that is mainly what this is and am excited to recieive it in the mail tonight!

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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:33PM Fire Walk With Me said

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Cute comedy bit but I couldnt be bothered to read this as a review of anything.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:35PM Aerothorn said

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Sounds like pretty much the opposite of Alpha Protocol, than; satisfying combat and basic mechanics with all the narrative elements, high-level choices, and little details lacking.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:41PM Pure Black World Tendency said

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There will always be a place in my heart for the jolly old dungeon romp of Dungeon Siege. I think I will wait for the inevitable price drop, however.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:46PM JesterSK13 said

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Interesting. The review reads more like a 2.5 or 3 than a 3.5.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:51PM MarkezJM said

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@JesterSK13

Or worse, it almost reads like the game is trash. Joystiq reviews are usually decent, but man, when they're bad they are reeeeaalllly bad.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:54PM Bjork said

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@JesterSK13

I had that feeling as well. I was really expecting a lower score because it really just sounded like any other no-brainer hack-and-slash, but worse because of the camera / path-finding and the poor co-op implementation. And if summoning fire wolves is really the best skill out there, I'm worried.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:22PM SisypheanLife said

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@JesterSK13

I was expecting a 2.5, based on the review. Sounds like people are better off playing Sacred 2. At least you can bring your character and get loot, plus its a lot cheaper.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 11:26AM Dizazter said

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@JesterSK13

Yeah I was thinking it was gonna get a 2. It just basically sounds like a broken franchise now.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:46PM MarkezJM said

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Who actually greenlighted this for publication? Good god.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:48PM Outkastprince said

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@MarkezJM I'm usually a fan of joystiq reviews, but I felt like I wrote this myself. Not a good thing.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:10PM Uncle Jesse said

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@MarkezJM

Richard Mitchell's review of Shadows of the Damned earlier today was pitch perfect. This one? Not so much...
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:46PM Sidon said

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Dear Joystiq,

You can cease competing with Kotaku and Destructoid for the title of wittiest/pithiest/snarkiest video game blog any time you feel like. Because when you do there'll be less codswallop masquerading as content.

Love,
Sidon
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:47PM Keadin said

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I liked this style of review when Justin did it for Two Worlds II. Here, I do not though I can't place why.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:00PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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@Keadin

The Two Worlds II review was pretty good.

This one was trying too hard to be charming/witty.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:06PM Keadin said

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@Captain Planet Planeteer Power

I don't think Cocke is trying too hard, but McElroy just did it better. Not a slight against him or a pat on the back to J-Sauce, just a matter of opinion.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 11:02PM Typhonic said

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@Keadin
Cocke trying too hard. Ha!

Shadows of the Damned says hi.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:47PM Outkastprince said

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I replayed the demo and still couldn't get into the game. It seemed alright, the type of loot (I guess) and combat style I could see myself eventually getting use to, but perhaps when it touches $40.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 7:08PM whylekat said

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@Outkastprince

Meh. Perhaps $15
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2011 9:00AM Spookimitsu said

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@whylekat

$15 bucks and I'm sold. any more than that and I'll be pissed I'm not playing a Blizzard 3/4ths isometric dungeon crawler
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:48PM Integral said

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"simplification of the leveling system"? Relative to which game? I'm not dissing the previous Dungeon Siege games (I love them in fact). But neither of them was really deep to begin with. You had a simple diablo-ish leveling tree and that was pretty much it. Unless I'm really forgetting something critical from the previous two games, there wasn't much depth. It was more about lots of loot (and collectible spells) and fast paced combat.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:49PM Vcize said

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Granted I've only played the demo, but from what I could tell GotL was a better game than this in every way. That's not so much a knock on DS3 as it is praise for GotL, which would've been fantastic for a full retail game but was priced as a downloadable game.

Still, I had enough fun with the demo in co-op to pick this one up when it drops a few bucks.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:20PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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Sorry, what's GotL again?
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:40PM TheOtherJames said

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@343 Guilty Fart

Good question. Gerbil of the Lethargic?
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:01PM Vcize said

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@343 Guilty Fart

Guardian of the Light
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:50PM Goldenspiral said

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I can't see spending $60 on this when you can get Dungeon Hunter: Allaince for $20 or less.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:36PM (Unverified) said

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@Goldenspiral

Finally! Someone else knows what a hidden gem Dungeon Hunter Alliance is. If you have a PS3, for 12 bucks it is HIGHLY recommended.

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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:51PM whylekat said

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Fake co-op = instant deal breaker.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:57PM Outkastprince said

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@whylekat I agree, I felt the co-op was the saving grace for a a lot of gamers out there. The single player was alright, just seemed like it would have been so much more fun if you had someone to play along.

Having to fake it just doesn't sound fun. Hmm..why does that phrase sound so familiar...
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:09PM whylekat said

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You'd think they would've learned from Fable 2's fake co-op. Although this a step backward from Fable's. At least in that you got to keep your gold and experience. ~_~
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:31PM Tel Prydain said

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@whylekat
I think the co-op is awesome… but it’s designed for a group to get together and play through, not for Boarderlands style ‘jump in, jump out’. If playing as one group you all get your own character, with your own equipment and own stats. I’d agree that those looking for Boarderlands-style co-op will be bummed out. I certainly think it’s better then inviting in a bunch of differently levelled characters or having multiple of the same character running about.
And I really liked the dialogue system for co-op. The host gets to make the final choice, but everyone gets to vote on which option they should choose. It’s fun with some of the game/story changing moral choices you get later on.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:58PM whylekat said

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@Tel

Yeah but that mean 2-3 people are wasting their time making zero progress while only helping the 1st player. Which would be fine if the entertainment value of the game merited 3-4 playthrus so everyone in the party can level up. But based on demo and this review, plus IGN, Kotaku and others it just doesn't seem worth it.

Maybe a bargain bin purchase someday.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:04PM Vcize said

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@whylekat

Well, in my case each of us are ONLY going to be playing through it the one time together, so I think that in that case (hope I'm not misunderstanding it) we'll be fine.

None of us are going to have "our own" games to go back to, we're all just going to be playing through on the one shared game.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:24PM Tel Prydain said

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@whylekat
Vcize naild it: you're not wasting your time - you're playing through the whole game togeather. You're making pregress togeather.
It's like co-op Halo, or co-op Gears - you're all part of that one game.

It's a different way of looking at it then Boarderlands, Diablo or Sacred. It's a case of playing through the story togeather, rather then a case of joing random games of people you don't know.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:45PM whylekat said

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So then that means if you stop playing you can't start again until everyone is ready? Cause those who aren't will miss out on whatever you do?
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 7:00PM Tel Prydain said

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@whylekat
That's the idea - you're playing with that one group through that one story (which will change depending on what choices the group makes).
But the host CAN continue to eqip/level-up your character for you until your return.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 7:05PM whylekat said

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So it's exactly what I thought it was. That's a deal breaker.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 8:21PM Tel Prydain said

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@whylekat

It might be a deal-breaker for you, but it’s nothing like the ‘Fake’ Fable multiplayer. When you join a game in Fable you were given a fairly random, unrelated random character whose skills and inventory vanished when you left.
In DA3 you take a specific character, and your skills and inventory stay put until you return (unless the host updates them). Nothing like Fable.
It’s like someone joining your Mass Effect game and playing Ashly, or joining your Baldur’s Gate 2 game and playing Minsc. (BTW, this is exactly how BG/BG2/IWD/IWD2 games worked).

You might not like this style of game (it does, after all, require a group of friends who are planning to play together), but it’s not broken.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 9:32PM Nolan 3D said

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@Tel Prydain

I've got to say, I liked Tel Prydain's review better than that incredibly condescending one up above. It lets me know that my friend and I can get together and play the game co-op through the entire story. Both of our characters will be right where we left them and we can progress through the game.

Really we played Boarderlands the same way. We each made a character we only played when we played together. We were both always close in level and had a shared co-op experience through the entire game.

Now I just need to do a little research to see if this game is good for or possible to play couch co-op. I should be able to find that out looking around a little. This review definitely didn't give me that information.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 10:32PM ShivanSwordsman said

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@Nolan 3D

That's great for you Nolan, more power to you and your friends. For those of us that do not regularly get on the couch with friends, we just wanna get into a game, with a bunch of random people with varying levels and builds, and just kick the crap out of everything around us. Diablo 2, ever played it? That game had those in spades. Only reason, ONLY reason I'm not playing that game is because they deleted your character after not playing it for a certain length of time.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2011 12:41AM LTLemonLicker said

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@ShivanSwordsman Did you play Diablo 2? you do realize that the characters that get "Deleted" can be recovered. you just go to play them, then go back and they will work online. so don't be a tool.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2011 3:23AM Tel Prydain said

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@whylekat
ShivanSwordsman:
Meanwhile I hated it when some max level dickhead would pop into my Borderland game.

Both types of co-op have their strengths and weaknesses. Just because this one isn't the type you like doesn't mean you need to act like someone pissed in your cornflakes.

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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 4:56PM Hawaii Jeff said

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Sounds like they totally smurfed the co-op.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:00PM bargaingamer said

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When i started reading the review i thought finally obsidian made a good game i can play with friends until i saw the part about the co-op.It gonna have to be a pass for me.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:00PM VIVIsectVI said

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I couldn't read this past the first couple paragraphs.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:05PM TXYeti said

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What a mess. I played the co-op demo twice with two different friends and enjoyed it thoroughly. This goes from a "buy" to a "rent". (In fact it already did when destructoid revealed this nasty tidbit last week, should be in my mail box today from Gamefly.)

Hopefully I'll get eight or so enjoyable dungeon-crawling hours out of it.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:06PM Kougeru said

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This is the WORST review I've ever read on this website. It's like you didn't even play the first two. They consolized this game to high hell and ruined it for it's older fans.

Posted: Jun 21st 2011 5:34PM Colin said

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@Kougeru

Really? It's not good enough for a reviewer to play the entire game all the way through, but now they have to play the entire series before their opinion counts?

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Posted: Jun 21st 2011 6:16PM Ellimem said

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@(Unverified) So you have to play Halo 1, 2 and 3 before you can play Halo Wars?
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