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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:03PM Aerothorn said

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I'm getting pretty tired of this snarky, one-sided coverage of AB 1179. I think Yee's bill was grossly misinformed and bad law, but it's clear to me - from hearing/reading many interviews with the guy - that he's sincere in his goals. Moreover, such one-sided coverage does nothing to illuminate the legal complexities at the heart of the case. It's just preaching to the choir, and make game players look like a bunch of uninformed partisans to an outside audience.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:11PM Heffer Wolfe said

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@Aerothorn

I think the snarkiness can be forgiven when Yee doesn't even take the time to research just how much the ESRB scrutinizes each new release.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:18PM jediyoshi said

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@Aerothorn What does sincerity have to do with it? A lot more people who sincerely feel for or work on "violent video games" would be affected, do they not matter? What legal complexities matter when the end result is the part at stake?
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:18PM dagamer34 said

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@Aerothorn

When you've got a different standard for video games compared to all other media that have existed long before it, I think you can see the hypocrisy here. It's not a crime to sell a ticket to an R rated movie to a "minor". It's not a crime to sell "explicit" music to a minor. Why? Because a) those industries self-regulate themselves and b) our country is one in which parents should be making those decisions for their children, not the government.

You're argument starts a very slippery slope when there are already rules in place and industry as a whole has been doing just fine.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:28PM spin cycle said

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@Aerothorn The industry already does a great job policing video game sales to minors.

This guy just wanted to create an unfunded, feel-good bill to make it look like he's the one saving your kids when it's parents and the ESRB who are making it happen.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:38PM Mmmmz said

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@Aerothorn
Funny you want equal coverage when the man refuses to acknowledge other's point of view simply because he doesn't agree with it.

We're wrong, he's right. His interests trump everyone else's interests.

There comes a point where you have to drop your personal agenda and realize you're serving the public. Not yourself.

If politicians would just listen instead of espousing their drivel, perhaps more could be done on both sides.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:41PM electriceye said

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@spin cycle
The industry does a fantastic job of policing all this, but parents do a very poor job, most of the time. I know fewer kids in the 7-13 range who aren't allowed to play games with violent content than I do those who are. It's easy to see why someone removed from it all sits and wonders why that's not working. It's a crap, misinformed bill, don't get me wrong...but I can see where the sentiment comes from, even if it is misguided.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:44PM making11s said

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@Aerothorn

Is it worse to pretend you believe the earth is flat to get your way or to honestly believe it contrary to all proof? One is lying. The other is lying to yourself. Neither is something I want in my government.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:04PM Courtney said

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@Aerothorn

Really think about what Yee said. He's so far over-the-edge on this issue that I don't think his view deserves fair coverage. Did you read his statement? In what way do video games present a danger to our communities? How does it jeopardize kids' mental health? How does it impinge on the rights parents?

He makes a mockery of his opinions with his own words and panders to the demographics who fear youth and change. Fear mongers who try and use irrational fears to drive ill thought legislation do not deserve a fair shake. The deserve to be called out for what they are.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:27PM Urethra Alfredo said

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@Aerothorn

The ESRB is so much more stringent in disseminating and identifying potentially offensive content in games than the MPAA is with movies...not to mention the fact there is no unified rating board for music, magazines or books to speak of.

Furthermore, major video game retailers like GameStop are, likewise, way, WAY more hawkish about selling M-rated games to minors than movie theatres are about allowing minors into R-rated films.

The video game industry is light years beyond other entertainment mediums when it comes to identifying and communicating potentially offensive content, yet Yee still seems to target the industry as being criminally negligent by allowing "violent" video games to be sold to minors.

But video games aren't being sold to minors, at least, not to the extent that Yee would have the public believe. They're being bought FOR minors, by their own goddamned parents. And if that's what Yee has a problem with, then he needs to take a step back and realize that the Federal government does not exist to raise people's children.

If he doesn't like children playing violent video games, then he should pour his efforts into educating parents to not be lazy, apathetic asshats who buy their seven-year old Call of Combat: Modern Blah Blah.


This bill was targeting an industry that is taking more steps to protect children from intense imagery and content, and would have had irreversible ramifications on the medium that Yee either didn't care about, or simply didn't care to anticipate. It was irresponsible and woefully misguided.


Tough I'm sure Fox News will have a f*cking field day with this one. They'll blast the SCOTUS and the ESRB by claiming that both parties delight in subjecting children to violence.

I'm sure Glenn Beck will deliver a particularly invective-laden rant on the subject, right after another tirade about having Frances Fox Piven raped, murdered and hung by a CUNY lamppost.

Ugh.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:56PM Aerothorn said

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@Urethra Alfredo

I appreciate your eloquent defense of the EMA's position (one I agree with) but I'm confused as to what in my post you're responding to.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:37PM (Unverified) said

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@Aerothorn

What bothers me is the smug misinformed attitude of Yee and his supporters. No matter where his heart is (and I doubt it's in the right place, unless that right place is creating a non-controversy to court a specific group of voters), his statements insinuate that the industry wasn't already self regulating and rating games appropriately.

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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:55PM Urethra Alfredo said

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@Aerothorn

Arrrgh. Reply Fail.

I didn't mean to reply to anyone. My comment was intended merely as a response to the article itself.


My bad.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 5:07PM Edge of Blade said

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@Aerothorn "A sincere politician." Go ahead... say that out loud without bursting into laughter.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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@Aerothorn The man is to be applauded because his fascist laws have sincere motivations? Oh please. Leland Yee is the worst kind of tyrant; the self-righteous crusader who will stop at nothing to force his vision of utopia on the rest of us, because only he knows what is moral and just.

When someone starts shrieking "it's for the children" at the top of their lungs, you can guarantee there is no underlying substance or logic to their argument. They're just using one of man's most primal fears to push an agenda that would fall apart under rational analysis. Don't take the bait.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:05PM Fermie Prime said

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@Urethra Alfredo
"...and if that's what Yee has a problem with, then he needs to take a step back and realize that the Federal government does not exist to raise people's children."

Hey, would somebody please inform Democrats that the Federal government has no place in the raising of people's children, because I think they missed that memo.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:40PM Urethra Alfredo said

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@Fermie Prime

+1
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 2:10AM The Tr0ll T0ll said

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@Aerothorn I didn't find it snarky or one-sided, to be honest. Stiq did the best they could with what was being offered to them by the good senator, which wasn't much that any court could've taken seriously. The legal intricacies were more lost on the bill's author than they were on the people who were writing about it here. It was a bad law, and it got smacked down every time it went before a judge. What were they supposed to say?
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 2:14AM The Tr0ll T0ll said

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@Fermie Prime +1, though I think it's also fair to point out that the usual offenders regarding this *particular brand* of nanny-stating have R's next to their name just as often as they have D's, no?
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 11:55AM Okieace said

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@The Tr0ll T0ll

Far more times these bills come from Democrats then republicans. Liberals are generally the ones trying to make parenting the responsibility of the federal government. It was Hillary Clinton who famously said "It takes a village".
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 1:25PM rogueface said

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@Okieace

Sauce plz...
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 12:13AM DietSoap said

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@Urethra Alfredo I was with you up until you exploited the opportunity to lambast Fox News over things it would never do.

Keep in mind the bill was written by a Democrat, pushed through by one of the most liberal states in the country, and frankly Dems don't exactly have a good relation with the industry (Hilary Clinton igniting the Hot Coffee scandal with Jack Thompson, Obama telling parents to turn off their kids video games so that they can get educated, Joe Liebermann exploiting Mortal Kombat, and now this), where as Republicans Governors like Rick Perry of Texas are in pretty good standing, routinely giving speeches with the ESA and pushing pretty aggressive tax cuts for game developers year after year.

If anything, Fox News and Glenn Beck would be rejoicing right now if for no other reason than partisan politics.
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Posted: Jul 5th 2011 6:20PM (Unverified) said

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@Aerothorn +1
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:03PM bloodlinejake said

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You Mad?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:03PM CaptainProtonX said

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Wars, drugs, gun violence, terrorism, pollution.....................video games.

Really...come on.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:22PM Erluti said

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@CaptainProtonX
All those things are in Video Games (including video games)!

So really you are just restating their case?
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:09PM CaptainProtonX said

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@CaptainProtonX

I'm saying I have enough shite to worry about on a minute-to-minute basis that is PROVEN to kill me and are already out-of-control.

Unless terrorists start MAKING games, I'm not concerned that I'll be taken down by a battle axe, plasma grenade, curse words, or Level 3 fire spells.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:13PM Fermie Prime said

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@CaptainProtonX
"... gun violence"

Yeah, because guns kill people, not the other way around.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:03PM mrmobius said

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Or just act like responsible parents and stop demanding the government does everything for you...

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 6:19PM Kamizar said

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@mrmobius

But that requires work.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:05PM eat it said

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doesn't it drive you up a wall when you realize that our taxes pay this man's ridiculous salary, benefits and retirement plan....and this is what he does at "work"?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:14PM MarkezJM said

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Next time I see Yee's gamertag pop up in a matchmaking lobby, I'm just gonna yell "COME AT ME BRO" the whole match and then sing the national anthem.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:43PM BananaBoat said

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@eat it - It drives me up a wall in the context of us being able to pay for things like this, but not universal health care. I know the two things aren't entirely related, but surely covering the health care costs of every child in America would be far more beneficial to the well being of children, than banning the sale of violent video games to them.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 5:16PM eat it said

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@BananaBoat

don't even get me started on that. We're the only industrialized nation in the world that hasn't figured out a proper healthcare system, meanwhile how many billions have gone "missing" in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 10:06AM SmoothC911 said

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@eat it

/begin rant

I'm with you here; these rat bastards sit in an ivory tower, tell you what's good for you & what's not, all in the pretense of saving you, your family & country, but almost NONE of the laws & bills they pass actually apply to them. National healthcare: nope, they have their own fully paid version. Insider trading: nope, they can get inside info and buy stocks and make millions while the average schmo would be locked up; the list goes on & on. Oh, and by the way, they want to tax the living hell out of you to get it all done.

The more I find out about this government of ours, the more I think we need another revolution.

/end rant
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:05PM Fire Walk With Me said

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I am so sick of hearing about children's best interests. Little pansies need to toughen up and learn how to BE A MAN!

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:17PM Assmar said

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@Fire Walk With Me

Even the little girls! Man up!
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:07PM Tamushrek said

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Why don't the parents watch what their children play and make sure they don't play games not made for their age group.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:21PM The Joy of Painting w Bob Ross said

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@Tamushrek

That would involve parenting so apparently it's easier for them to bitch at the government to look after their asshole children.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:24PM Tamushrek said

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@The Joy of Painting w Bob Ross

I am still fairly young (23) and my mom, a single mother, and she was able to always keep an eye on what me and my sister watched and played. I guess some people really don't care :/
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:19PM Sh1fty said

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@Tamushrek

STOP BEING REASONABLE, THIS IS THE INTERNET THERE'S NO PLACE HERE FOR THAT!
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:11PM KenobiEagle said

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@Tamushrek Exactly. My parents did an extremely good job of keeping T and M rated games out of my brother's and my hands until we were the appropriate age. Sure, there was a consequence of this, which is that I don't find FPS games all that appealing, but whatever. My parents did what parents are supposed to do; they looked at the ratings, knew what they meant, and told us NO if we were trying to get a game that was not appropriate for us.

The fact that entire middle schools are full of kids that play games like Black Ops just goes to show how lazy many parents are these days. And we wonder why the kids are all over the place.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 5:43PM SynthOno said

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@Tamushrek It's so simple, yet true. The counter argument is that kids will find a way, and sure, they will. I mean, my parents didn't buy me M-rated titles, but I played them at a friends' house (just like I couldn't get porn, but still found "Sexual Secrets" a softcore educational program on TV late at night which did the job for a young man, uh, discovering things, and also taught me about human biology a bit). The difference is, if a parent is doing their job, the kids will know why they object to violent titles and understand why their parents don't want them playing them. That does go a long way, believe it or not.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:08PM Rollins said

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The blown-up picture of Senator Yee on the right side under Breaking News is creeeeeeeeeepy.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:10PM peter pham said

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wow...... big waste of time isnt it? its the frikkin parents decision to decide what kids should be allowed to buy. its kinda what the rating system is here for ya know? that little box on the front of the game that has a letter/number on it?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:11PM theBrayn said

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If I wanted Sulu's opinion I'd ask Captain Kirk.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:13PM xreadmore said

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@theBrayn
wow racist much?
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:14PM theBrayn said

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@xreadmore

It's a joke, lighten up Francis.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:27PM baby sea tuna said

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@theBrayn

Set phasers to "sweet burn!"
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:32PM spin cycle said

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@theBrayn Yee is of Chinese extraction. George Takei is of Japanese extraction.

You're making a "they all look alike" joke but it doesn't reflect well on you.
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