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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:26AM Psychoplasm said

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A triumphant day, indeed.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:40AM mrantimatter said

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@Psychoplasm
i'm making a note here 'Huge Success'.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:12AM Sir SpankalotUK said

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@mrantimatter It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:04PM A Sandwich said

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@Sir SpankalotUK

Scalia and Ginsberg, they do what they must, because they can
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:14PM FreakSheet said

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@A Sandwich

For the good of all of us, except those who are dumb
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:26AM bamb0ostick said

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Why did I imagine Phoenix Wright physically striking down the law?

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:48AM BananaBoat said

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@bamb0ostick - It's like he donned the constitution as a cloak, and shouted "OBJECTION!" at all those special interest groups that got the law passed in the first place.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:26AM vidguy said

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As I've been saying since they took cert, it's not a surprise that the Court applied strict scrutiny and struck down the law. I'm looking forward to getting into the opinion and seeing what guidance they provide for future laws.

What this means from a constitutional perspective is that a state must prove that any law against violent video games is /necessary/ for a /compelling/ state interest. The law must be the /least restrictive/ means of protecting children.

So essentially, they'll need actual evidence of the harm that violence in media causes children, and they'll need laws that do not in any way limit adult access to the material.

A big win for the First Amendment. I'm in support of restricting access to children, but I was highly concerned about censorship of video games as against adults.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:32AM vidguy said

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@vidguy

Love Scalia's comment: "Reading Dante is unquestionably more cultured and intellectually edifying than playing Mortal Kombat.But these cultural and intellectual differences are not constitutional ones. Crudely violent video games, tawdry TV shows, and cheap novels and magazines are no less forms of speech than The Divine Comedy,"
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:35AM vidguy said

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@vidguy

Regarding the dissents:

Breyer believed that California had provided enough evidence of the harm to minors to establish the law. This is a factual question rather than a legal one.

Thomas believed that the First Amendment did not reach to the law, because it was directed at minors. This is true on its face but ignores the fact that the /effect/ of the law would be a restriction upon all video games and adult's access to them (as is the case with laws against pornography).
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:40AM Uberdave said

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@vidguy

What about playing dante's inferno? Isn't the the best of both worlds?
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:26AM MasterYogurt said

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@vidguy

My favorite quote arises from a footnote response to Stevens:

"Stevens argues that the “crush-video” statute at issue there might pass muster if it were limited to videos of acts of animal cruelty that violated the law where the acts were performed. There is no contention that any of the virtual characters depicted in the imaginative videos at issue here are criminally liable."

Oh, Scalia. Making Con Law entertaining.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 11:38PM Jennacide said

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@Uberdave
No, cause it's neither intellectual, or very fun. :p
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:26AM AltairArcanum said

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Great news. You'd think they would learn after the first time.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:36AM baby sea tuna said

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@AltairArcanum

Politicians learning a lesson? Shadows of the Damned has a more believable plot.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:51AM BananaBoat said

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@baby sea tuna - All we can hope is that other states will see how much money fighting this law cost California, and decide that they've got better things to waste their money on.

Yeah, who am I kidding.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:27AM JakeAuditore said

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Good, now I can buy Skyrim this fall. xD

In all seriousness, though, I'm glad this was struck down. Parents should be the deciding factor in what their kids play; not the government.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:28AM VideoGameFan said

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Finally lil Jonny can haz BLOPS without having to be a kiss a$$...

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:29AM Zoot Suit Jedi Grammar Hammer En said

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Cool use of taxpayer money, Folks.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:40AM baby sea tuna said

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@Zoot Suit Jedi Grammar Hammer En

Well at least now that this case is over we can go back to supporting all those awesome wars, thereby giving us plots for new video games for some dick lawyer to quote out of context in the next video game related trial.

It's the CIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIIFE!
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:56AM Zoot Suit Jedi Grammar Hammer En said

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@baby sea tuna

*Raises copy of GTA4 above head by cliffside*
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:50AM Dlord said

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@Zoot Suit Jedi Grammar Hammer En

One day this will all be yours, Simba
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:53PM baby sea tuna said

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@Dlord

"Thanks, Dad!" (/beats prostitute to death with bat)
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:29AM Tab said

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Good... good.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:36PM FallenXion said

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@Tab
When I read your post I pictured the evil cockroach from Family Guy.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:29AM ShokLoc said

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Thank you! Stop trying to take away our rights and parent our children for us!

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:35AM Psychoplasm said

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@ShokLoc

I'd argue there isn't enough 'real' parenting in this world, with or without government interference.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:49PM theBrayn said

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@Psychoplasm

I'd argue that how someone decides to parent is none of your concern. How about if you worry about yourself and your kids and I'll do the same for myself.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:55PM ShokLoc said

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@theBrayn
Well said, exactly what I meant.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:33PM Shadow 024 said

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@theBrayn
Just for the sake of it, I'd argue that the bad parenting of a few indirectly affects many children. But it depends also on the nature of the child and the degree of the bad parenting.

However, good parenting doesn't always mean good kids.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:30AM ORTHROK said

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why the hell did 2 of the justices disagree

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:35AM vidguy said

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@ORTHROK

Breyer: Cal. had enough evidence for the law.
Thomas: First Amendment doesn't protect minors.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:59AM ChomskyKnows said

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@vidguy

those guys are dicks.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:16AM MasterYogurt said

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@ORTHROK

Thomas and Breyer are a pretty darn strange pair - and they disagree as to WHY the law was Constitutional.

Breyer's line is very much the standard "Violent video games are harmful to children" argument. He says that sometimes it is appropriate for states to help parents teach their kids how to make good choices.

Thomas's argument stems from constitutional history. He argues that there have been very clear differences in the application of free speech - and all Constitutional rights - between minors and full adults. Parents have always had control over what their children have read or experienced, and it is improper to assign a constitutional right to companies to speak to children without the consent of their parents. "The founding generation would not have considered it an abridgment of “the freedom of speech” to support parental authority by restricting speech that bypasses minors’ parents." If the law absolutely restricted access (by making it a crime for parents to give these games to their children, or by making them illegal in the state) Thomas would have been in the majority on this case.

Whether you support Thomas's opinion or not (I doubt many here would) it's at least unique and well-reasoned.

It seems that the majority opinion on this is of a rather narrow scope, as it leaves the possibility for "differently-worded statutes" that accomplish the same goal.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:29AM MasterYogurt said

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@ORTHROK

And Scalia's response is:

"It does not follow that the state has the power to prevent children from hearing or saying anything without their parents’ prior consent."

I'd say accurately argued on Scalia's part.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:53AM Horsebird said

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At this point, pretty much the opposite of what Justice Thomas says is true. That guy really needs to be forcibly retired.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 8:38PM VideoGameFan said

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@Horsebird
How so? Back it up with a real world situation.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:32AM Papa Neorev said

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Great day indeed

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:32AM ShadowXIII said

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And that confirms a tremendous waste of much needed resources.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:35AM TRTX said

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Boy. Whodathunk that it'd be the government that define games as art before the critics would.

(translation: Suck it Ebert)

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 1:13PM Bryan H said

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@TRTX

Ebert was right.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:13AM arucious said

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Kids could turn into non-citizens and then maybe even demographics. Those guys are major a-holes, or at least the second one
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:36AM Berzerk said

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The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has this:

Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age, or mental or physical disability.

I guess there's no US equivalent to the "age" part.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:49AM ShadowSoldier89 said

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@Berzerk us interpretation of age got screwed a long time ago
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:53AM Once known as Shadsy said

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@Berzerk You'd be shocked how the Constitution deals with this and is interpreted. The only groups that get full protection are race, ethnicity, and religion.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:40AM bneg82 said

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I would like to point out to all the left leaning video gamer's out there. mine and your First Amendment rights were just upheld by a conservative leaning court. Your not gonna get that protection from the left.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:52AM Sh1fty said

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@bneg82

*facepalm*

The Supreme Court did it's job yet you just couldn't help getting all Fox News/MSNBC in here could you.

Seriously can't you people just be happy that something good happened without turning into a freaking pissing match.

Jesus.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:11AM (Unverified) said

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@bneg82

Ummm you do realize the majority opinion was Scalia, Ginsberg, Kagan, Sotomayer, and Kennedy.

Alito and Roberts concurred in judgement but were trying to get a majority for a much much narrower interpretation of the first amendment.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:17AM Grimbear13 said

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@Sh1fty
OMG! are you the REAL Jesus? Or do you just sign all your comments as Jesus? :p

For reals though I agree great win for us and I don't care what side I'm leaning on since it usually just depends on what side of me is tired of supporting my weight. :)
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 11:51AM Altairio said

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@bneg82

Well since it came down 7 to 2, and one of the dissenters is a conservative, I'd say this is in no way a left vs right issue. But that's just me, with my rational thought and stuff.

"Your not gonna get that protection from the left."

Dumbest thing I've heard today.
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