In a recent forum post, David DeMartini, EA's Senior VP of Global E-Commerce, expressed that gamers should be able to buy EA titles on any site they want, including Steam ... unless, that is, Steam doesn't want them to. Last month's disappearance of Crysis 2 from Valve's service, DeMartini explained, was actually the result of a business deal whereby certain DLC for the game couldn't appear on Steam, and thus Valve removed the title from its service completely.
The veep went on to say that EA's Origin platform is a choice for game buyers, not an exclusive outlet for all of the publisher's content going forward. Along with its developers, EA is "working to integrate more and more between the game and Origin," but DeMartini is "absolutely not at this point saying, 'hey, it's Origin versus Steam.' It's never been about that."
However, DeMartini's words and EA's actions don't exactly line up. According to the company's policy, EA wants to "continue offering our games for sale on all major download sites." Star Wars: The Old Republic doesn't count, it seems, as that title will only be available for download from its Origin service.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:39PM copa said
So I can:
1) Buy all of my games on a single, mature, well-supported, consumer-friendly platform
or
2) Maintain a separate platform for each and every publisher on my computer to try and find my games. And find out which half-assed platforms have screwed up DRM, or have trouble keeping their servers up, or shut down after 2 years because of a change in strategic direction leaving my games worthless.
It's great to have options!
1) Buy all of my games on a single, mature, well-supported, consumer-friendly platform
or
2) Maintain a separate platform for each and every publisher on my computer to try and find my games. And find out which half-assed platforms have screwed up DRM, or have trouble keeping their servers up, or shut down after 2 years because of a change in strategic direction leaving my games worthless.
It's great to have options!
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:11PM darksied said
@copa
A couple of thoughts. Yes, it kinda sucks if we're going to have to have a separate login for each publisher; I'm not looking forward to that. However, about Origin, I will say this: EA isn't going anywhere, so I'm pretty sure they will not just abandon it and screw you out of the games you paid for. Secondly, there's less DRM in Origin than there is in Steam. You activate your game ONCE and never have to run the client again if you don't want, unlike Steam which has to be running constantly, even in offline mode.
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A couple of thoughts. Yes, it kinda sucks if we're going to have to have a separate login for each publisher; I'm not looking forward to that. However, about Origin, I will say this: EA isn't going anywhere, so I'm pretty sure they will not just abandon it and screw you out of the games you paid for. Secondly, there's less DRM in Origin than there is in Steam. You activate your game ONCE and never have to run the client again if you don't want, unlike Steam which has to be running constantly, even in offline mode.
Posted: Jul 11th 2011 10:09PM NeonAnderson said
@darksied
While EA probably will be around forever, it's very easy for them to just drop a failed project with no care for their consumers.
If Origin does not work out (and likely it won't as for a fact I cannot use Origin and EA has told me they will not be adding support for users like me, namely people who travel a lot. They told me I would simply have to wait until I am physically back in the UK to purchase products on Origin. Until then I can't buy anything on Origin even if I wanted to!!!!!!)
So to think that Origin is here to stay is a bit silly, it is EA after all. Same like with all these large companies, they can do full turnaround on decisions and make the most stupid decisions ever.
Look at Ubisoft for example, they made the mistake of adding that game breaking DRM into Assassin's Creed 2, Silent Hunter and Splinter Cell Conviction.
Just before Brotherhood came out they updated all those games to remove the DRM, leaving just the great Uplay savegame syncing. They also launched Brotherhood without the DRM.
Now Might and Magic 5 or so is coming out and the beta for pre-order people has the very same DRM they removed and already many people are having the same issues with it that they had on the other games while they had that terrible DRM.
Ubisoft so far has clearly stated that Might and Magic 5 will launch with that DRM included!
So as far as we know within a year or less Origin could come and vanish and everyone who purchased on Origin will be very sorry.
I for one refuse to buy Battlefield 3 and SWTOR as long as it's not on Steam!
I only purchase retail games with Steamworks and all other games I purhchase on Steam!
I also have a PS3 and of course purchase all of those games retail, but I prefer playing most games on PC and don't always have my PS3 as it's only in one of the countries I travel to and am mostly not there.
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While EA probably will be around forever, it's very easy for them to just drop a failed project with no care for their consumers.
If Origin does not work out (and likely it won't as for a fact I cannot use Origin and EA has told me they will not be adding support for users like me, namely people who travel a lot. They told me I would simply have to wait until I am physically back in the UK to purchase products on Origin. Until then I can't buy anything on Origin even if I wanted to!!!!!!)
So to think that Origin is here to stay is a bit silly, it is EA after all. Same like with all these large companies, they can do full turnaround on decisions and make the most stupid decisions ever.
Look at Ubisoft for example, they made the mistake of adding that game breaking DRM into Assassin's Creed 2, Silent Hunter and Splinter Cell Conviction.
Just before Brotherhood came out they updated all those games to remove the DRM, leaving just the great Uplay savegame syncing. They also launched Brotherhood without the DRM.
Now Might and Magic 5 or so is coming out and the beta for pre-order people has the very same DRM they removed and already many people are having the same issues with it that they had on the other games while they had that terrible DRM.
Ubisoft so far has clearly stated that Might and Magic 5 will launch with that DRM included!
So as far as we know within a year or less Origin could come and vanish and everyone who purchased on Origin will be very sorry.
I for one refuse to buy Battlefield 3 and SWTOR as long as it's not on Steam!
I only purchase retail games with Steamworks and all other games I purhchase on Steam!
I also have a PS3 and of course purchase all of those games retail, but I prefer playing most games on PC and don't always have my PS3 as it's only in one of the countries I travel to and am mostly not there.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:40PM Prboi said
Of course they don't want to compete with Steam. They just want to maximize profits for themselves.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:47PM ShivanSwordsman said
@Prboi
Yet, I will never use Origin, and they lost sales for Crysis 2 from me because of it. Probably would have been, y'know, AFFORDABLE during this Steam event...
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Yet, I will never use Origin, and they lost sales for Crysis 2 from me because of it. Probably would have been, y'know, AFFORDABLE during this Steam event...
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:41PM Dance Mofo said
Liar, liar pants on fire
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:10PM Dance Mofo said
@Prboi I grew up hearing "pants". To each his or her own. Game on brethren, see you on the battlefield. Together, we fight and capture these great deals.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:12PM Dance Mofo said
@Vuvuzelas hahaha you guys are too funny, my bros and sises of the gaming world
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Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:42PM Gibbeynator said
Initially, I thought their plan was to topple Steam as the biggest digital distributier by offering less content, higher prices and more restrictions than Steam, and then, for an encore, dethrone World of Warcraft as the king of MMOs with something that isn't doing terribly well from what I hear.
Now I don't know what their plan is.
Now I don't know what their plan is.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:14PM ToTheMoon said
@Gibbeynator
You were thinking of Microsoft with their yet-again-rebranded and relaunched "Games for windows" brand.
You know, the same people who thought that Valve was crazy for creating Steam way back in 2002. You can also throw Yahoo into that mix of "crazy" people who obviously weren't interested in being a leader in digital distribution.
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You were thinking of Microsoft with their yet-again-rebranded and relaunched "Games for windows" brand.
You know, the same people who thought that Valve was crazy for creating Steam way back in 2002. You can also throw Yahoo into that mix of "crazy" people who obviously weren't interested in being a leader in digital distribution.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:22PM Tel Prydain said
@Gibbeynator What makes you think it's not doing very well? I've heard good things: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2011/6/22/
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Posted: Jul 7th 2011 7:07AM Gibbeynator said
@Tel Prydain
From what I'VE heard, it's mediocre at best for as long as it's been in development.
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From what I'VE heard, it's mediocre at best for as long as it's been in development.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:46PM Captaindrek1 said
They better not be trying to compete with steam, if they are they're doing a piss-poor job of it.
I've never even heard of the site.
I've never even heard of the site.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:09PM AFinalUltimatum said
@AFinalUltimatum Wow, excuse my first comment. I put that as a reply to the wrong comment. Deepest apologizes.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:55PM Jennacide said
I call bullshit. The ads at E3 for Battlefield 3 and ME3 both said the word EXCLUSIVELY on Origin. Either that's a HUGE faux pau, this VP is lying his ass of, or doesn't even know the truth himself.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 12:48AM BananaBoat said
@Jennacide - He's currently lying out his ass. You can't buy BF3 on Steam (I've been trying). You can get it on D2D for like $54 right now, or on Origin for $60. I don't know of any other platforms it's on. For all I know, you may need to activate a D2D copy on Origin for it to work.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:55PM Keyelite said
The thing that concerned me most about Origin is the fact that it's the same login you use throughout EA. So when battlefield heroes got hacked-- anyone who has an account with a game on origin is also at risk.
At least with steam, you have much better security. First, having Steam Guard to verify password changes via Email. Secondly, having an access code be emailed to you in case some unauthorized computer does gain access with your password. Not to mention the ability to not save your credit card, yet keep some money on hand with Steam Wallet for sales.
No way jumping ship or even buying anything on Origin after the BF heroes hack. That goes with any publisher download platform. I'll just worry about one account to keep safe.
At least with steam, you have much better security. First, having Steam Guard to verify password changes via Email. Secondly, having an access code be emailed to you in case some unauthorized computer does gain access with your password. Not to mention the ability to not save your credit card, yet keep some money on hand with Steam Wallet for sales.
No way jumping ship or even buying anything on Origin after the BF heroes hack. That goes with any publisher download platform. I'll just worry about one account to keep safe.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:55PM teeftwo said
Unless they can compete with Steam's sales, I'm not switching. Oh, and they must have Team Fortress 2
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 10:58PM nerdydesi1 said
I don't buy it. EA doesn't care about PC gaming, for instance, not releasing single-player DLC for the PC versions of Burnout Paradise and Dead Space 2 (which I'd still like to have). I'm sure there's other games I've missed, I believe NFS Shift on PC also didn't get DLC.
Why then would they spent all these resources for another digital store-front if PC gaming is on the back-burner to them? Maybe its doing better than we think it is. EA, would you release that DLC on Origin? I'd get it if you did. : )
Why then would they spent all these resources for another digital store-front if PC gaming is on the back-burner to them? Maybe its doing better than we think it is. EA, would you release that DLC on Origin? I'd get it if you did. : )
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 11:09AM jmr1986 said
@nerdydesi1 With EA it's always about Ups and Downs, they say: look we are publishing the greatest military FPS for the PC!!! buy it!!, next day: BF3 wll be Origin Exclusive... next day: Shift Unleashed 2 DLC will be free for PC!!!.. then Dead Space 2 won't be arriving to PC :(... I just don't get it.
I love EA for the games they publish but i hate them fot the way they do. There seems to be always a catch.
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I love EA for the games they publish but i hate them fot the way they do. There seems to be always a catch.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:00PM JGalaxy said
Seriously, how stupid do they think we are? Without questioning their right to do so they are trying to increase their control and profit over their own games but the pathetic side is that in doing so they are trying to make it look like Steam is the bad guy so they don't look greedy to the general public, because they know steam has a much better reputation than they ever had on this field.
Crysis 2 went out of sale on steam because EA did not release a DLC pack for Steam... now was that an accident? is it Steam's fault? And they are even acknowledging that they want to tie up origin further and further with their own games in the future, and KotOR will not come out on steam...
So the translation of the stupidity of what they are really trying to say is "we need steam for now, we can't leave them yet, but watch out! they are evil! and in the future a saviour might come..."
Crysis 2 went out of sale on steam because EA did not release a DLC pack for Steam... now was that an accident? is it Steam's fault? And they are even acknowledging that they want to tie up origin further and further with their own games in the future, and KotOR will not come out on steam...
So the translation of the stupidity of what they are really trying to say is "we need steam for now, we can't leave them yet, but watch out! they are evil! and in the future a saviour might come..."
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:02PM CnEY said
So by claiming they were "never about competing with Steam", this basically means they knew from the get-go that they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell, right? I mean, there's no other reason for Origin to exist.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:06PM Premature ejaculation man said
"a business deal whereby certain DLC for the game couldn't appear on Steam"
Sure, thats not 'competing" but thats not a nice style of deal that will net you good relations.
Sure, thats not 'competing" but thats not a nice style of deal that will net you good relations.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:08PM Scuffles said
I suspect Origin will do a fine job ...... of making Steam and Direc2Drive look better by comparison.
Maybe just maybe if they set up some sort of system in which while you are purchasing games you have a chance to find a random virtual hat for your Origin avatar ..... they just might pull it off tho.... just maybe.
Maybe just maybe if they set up some sort of system in which while you are purchasing games you have a chance to find a random virtual hat for your Origin avatar ..... they just might pull it off tho.... just maybe.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:14PM shadowhowl1900 said
Of course you wont compete with Steam because its a losing battle. a service from with games from 1 publisher vs a service with many publishers.... kinda one sided plus there were so many issues with EADM, what it was called before origin, that basically i went ahead and bought the game again on steam.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:17PM Tel Prydain said
I imagine that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be billed through that service since it's now EA's store-front. If that's the case it's no wonder that the game would only be on Origin.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:27PM DevilSei said
So... you saying that Origins will be the sole way to get several of your higher-profile PC games online, when they used to be possibly grabbed through Steam, totally isn't a move to compete with them?
Mhm, release Star Wars: The Old Republic on Steam first, then we'll talk.
Mhm, release Star Wars: The Old Republic on Steam first, then we'll talk.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:39PM Dalrint said
I think EA has missed the thing where, for a lot of gamers, if a PC game doesn't come out on Steam, they don't really buy it. Steam has become almost a 'console' in its own right.
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:55PM Slomoshun said
I wont buy just about anything unless it's on Steam.
It's too damn convenient!!!
And adding another digital downloader like Steam is NOT my idea of being convenient.
I want to turn on my machine, open Steam and play. Not open Steam and Origin and tab between the 2 when I want to play a different game and manage 2 or 3 sets of friend lists......you get the idea.
I will never buy anything from Origin. I'll go retail and add that version to Steam before I buy from Origin.
Please die Origin.
Sincerely Slomo
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It's too damn convenient!!!
And adding another digital downloader like Steam is NOT my idea of being convenient.
I want to turn on my machine, open Steam and play. Not open Steam and Origin and tab between the 2 when I want to play a different game and manage 2 or 3 sets of friend lists......you get the idea.
I will never buy anything from Origin. I'll go retail and add that version to Steam before I buy from Origin.
Please die Origin.
Sincerely Slomo
Posted: Jul 6th 2011 11:43PM organiczero said
To me, the sole reason why Origin won't work is that no matter what i do, I'm forced to use the Latin America version of it, which means:
- higher prices
- smaller game catalogue than the US storefront (discovered this with the help of a US friend)
- less payment options
Sorry, Steam allows me to buy games at a fair price even when they aren't on promotional deals, use PayPal to pay and even get gifted games from friends on Europe if the price is better on their side. Keep trying EA, you got lots to learn ahead of you.
- higher prices
- smaller game catalogue than the US storefront (discovered this with the help of a US friend)
- less payment options
Sorry, Steam allows me to buy games at a fair price even when they aren't on promotional deals, use PayPal to pay and even get gifted games from friends on Europe if the price is better on their side. Keep trying EA, you got lots to learn ahead of you.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 11:14AM jmr1986 said
@organiczero I also live in South America and buying a game from Origin it's a big pain, first of all i'm forced to buy the games on Euros, second i can't not use my credit card and The prices are usually higher also. With Steam i can buy my games with my PayPal account or my credit card with no probs.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2011 1:05AM agneumeyer said
"And by 'never been about competing' I mean 'competing in a savage futuristic blood sport for the last drops of oil' I SHALL HAVE THEIR BLOOD!" - David DeMartini
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 3:47AM ORTHROK said
steam is awful and everything similar to steam is awful
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 4:24AM birdizzle87 said
If BF3 is exclusive to this service I won't be getting it. Just like I skipped on Crysis 2.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 5:32AM (Unverified) said
Steam or no buy, it's really simple. And they can keep theire stupid mmorpg's i don't have time for those anyway.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 7:34AM TheShaper said
Just like Project Ten Dollar was never about grabbing more money from pre-owned games.
Does anyone else miss the days of NHL '94?
Does anyone else miss the days of NHL '94?
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 8:41AM ThatGuyFromTV said
It's business. The fact that Origin even exists shows that they're in competition with Steam. It might not be their main goal, but it's still happening.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 9:04AM ttank said
steams a monopoly, even more so than EA - I hope there is a competitor one day.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 9:52AM DarthCarto said
@ttank
Steam competitors: Impulse, Direct2Drive (not as nice as Impulse or Steam), Good Old Games - so, no, Steam is not a monopoly.
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Steam competitors: Impulse, Direct2Drive (not as nice as Impulse or Steam), Good Old Games - so, no, Steam is not a monopoly.
Posted: Jul 7th 2011 2:23PM organiczero said
@ttank Like DarthCarto said, Steam is not a monopoly, it has several competitors (Direct2Drive for example is having a month long sale that has some games that beat steam's prices).
The key here is "products". Steam offers games from several publishers and developers. Origin only offers games from EA, and with a higher price than on other services.
Why would one trade a service that has more games, better prices and easiness to use to something that is just the contrary is beyond me.
IMO, if EA really wanted to maximize their profits, lowering their prices would make their games available to a bigger amount of buyers (including me). Also, they could work out their agreement with Steam for how much they get from each sale.
Either way, all we want is them to stop being so damn greedy.
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The key here is "products". Steam offers games from several publishers and developers. Origin only offers games from EA, and with a higher price than on other services.
Why would one trade a service that has more games, better prices and easiness to use to something that is just the contrary is beyond me.
IMO, if EA really wanted to maximize their profits, lowering their prices would make their games available to a bigger amount of buyers (including me). Also, they could work out their agreement with Steam for how much they get from each sale.
Either way, all we want is them to stop being so damn greedy.








