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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:40AM FuzzyPierce said

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Would LOVE for EA to drop the prices on Steam, too, but they obviously won't.

I've been waiting for the mediocre-as-all-hell Spore to drop to 5 bucks for years, but I'm not buying it from a company that no question tells me that they have the right to revoke my purchase if I don't touch it for a while. I have a lot of games. A lot of them go untouched for years. And you know where they are? On the damn shelf where I left them, assholes.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:14AM Hunter141072 said

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@FuzzyPierce

Couldn´t agree more.....and they are trying to buy us, well it´s not gonna happen..........
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:52AM Mmmmz said

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@FuzzyPierce

Awesome. I was debating on whether supporting another DD platform but now it's obvious that EA still just doesn't get it and still doesn't give a shit. It's simply unbelievable how greedy and stupid they are.

Goodbye Origin. May you die a gruesome, painful, costly death!
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:59AM Funkmaster General said

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@FuzzyPierce

I just double checked their terms of service. What a pice of shit.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 12:40PM Gibbeynator said

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@FuzzyPierce

No Steam, no sale.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 2:14PM Joker5950 said

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@Funkmaster General mind telling me what pissed you off, off the ToS, not calling you out just don't really wanna read it all :P
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 5:23PM Faenix said

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@Funkmaster General

So in 23 months or so, my free copies of mass effect 2 and burnout paradise will be deleted from my origin account?

Wow EA. You lose the DD game.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:43AM dragunrising said

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Tempting...if EA's terms of service didn't void my copy of "x" game after 2 years of sitting in my backlog unplayed. No thanks.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:50AM Kazzahdrane said

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@dragunrising Really?? I heard some mention of some deactivation clause from inactivity but is this for real?!
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:49AM Timjoy said

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@dragunrising

http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/#section2

You're right...

5. Content and Entitlement Availability

We reserve the right to change and update Content and Entitlements without notice to you. If you have not used your Entitlements or Account for twenty four (24) months or more and your Account has associated Entitlements, your Entitlements will expire and your Account may be cancelled for non-use. Once you have redeemed your Entitlements, that content is not returnable, exchangeable, or refundable for other Entitlements or for cash, or other goods or services.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 12:51PM Ospov said

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@dragunrising

If Origin isn't used in 2 years...

...does it remove itself?
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Posted: Jul 31st 2011 3:45AM ShivanSwordsman said

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@Ospov

I would quickly spread word of that TOS agreement to anyone wanting to purchase Battlefield 3. It seems like EA and Activision are constantly trying to trump each other as the most evil organization in gaming. Just... freakin' wow. I never expected the company that fought so hard to stay out of the 1983 crash by focusing on computer games and making it so games were seen as art to become so... draconian and evil.

Then again, their founder, Trip Hawkins, is no longer the leader of the company. He tried to found 3DO, and let the really evil, power grubbing folks like John Riccitiello take over. Must be hard watching everything you worked for go straight to hell by the greed of a few... sigh.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:44AM jediyoshi said

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Alright, fine Origin.

Just this once.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:29AM byaboy said

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@jediyoshi Don't down vote this guy for just saying he is going to buy a game BTW The games deleting them self after two years of not being played is (insert swear word here).
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 12:04PM Dance Mofo said

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@jediyoshi How about not doing it at all, EA is scandalous. Don't support this
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:18PM bigwhiteyeti said

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@jediyoshi

Don't do it man. Seriously. Vote with your wallet.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:23PM fortunzfavor said

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@byaboy It's not a personal slight, it's an intervention.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 2:19PM Castiel said

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@jediyoshi
EA Jedi mind tricks.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:47AM Dick Socrates said

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Tempted by Burnout for £5. Repelled by EA. So I won't give them my money. Had it been on Steam, they may well have had a sale.

On the other hand, if EA is taking PC gaming seriously enough to launch a store, it's good for the health of PC gaming in general, which went through a bit of a slump.

On the other, other hand, Burnout Paradise on PC wasn't supported properly and didn't get all the DLC, so EA are paying lip service to PC gamers. And I don't like how they shut down online services for games that could not possibly be considered old. They seem to have very little interest in creating long term classics people looking back on fondly, but want to keep kicking us out of our seats into the next overpriced minor upgrade. Imagine if your favourite band's record company disabled the ability to listen to an album you really like because a new one came out. CONTROL in the hands of corporations is bad, don't give any more to EA.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:02AM Mcmax3000 said

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@Dick Socrates - They shut down online services for games that nobody is playing anymore, not based on age.

I can still play Burnout: Revenge online on Xbox 360 & that game is almost five & a half years old now. If people are still playing, they keep the service open.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:37AM Fire Walk With Me said

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@Mcmax3000 not true on sports games that come out every year.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:52AM Kai Hohiro said

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You people bitching about Origin's ToS do realize that Steam and Battle.net now have clauses in their Subscriber Agreements that allow them to terminate your entire account or any single subscription or game license at any time for no specified reason whatsoever?

"13. TERM AND TERMINATION
Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time. "

"6. Account Suspension/Cancelation.
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU"

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:02AM FuzzyPierce said

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@Kai Hohiro "At any time" does not mean "for any reason". It just means they have the right to do so, if they feel they need to. It does not mean they have the right to revoke purchases at will.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:16AM fortunzfavor said

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@Kai Hohiro Steam has a history of taking care of its customers. EA has a history of bending its customers over. There's what you can do, and what you're likely to do.

The DRM that puts us at the mercy of trusting anyone to let us keep what we supposedly 'bought' is a travesty, but if you're going to trust anyone, Steam is the better gamble. I'm a huge sucker for a sale, but even I have my limits.

The 'new' kid in school isn't new. We know him pretty well.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 12:03PM Funkmaster General said

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@Kai Hohiro

The difference is that EA states that it WILL do so after a certain amount of time has passed. There is a difference between a vague threat and an actual one.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:53AM Trogdorwhore said

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Tried Origin today.
Had a nice UI but the catalog was too small compared to Steam.
And the games wasn't thaaat cheap either. I'll guess I'll just stick to steam for now.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:04AM Mcmax3000 said

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@Trogdorwhore - Of course the catalog is smaller than Steam's... It's only EA's games whereas Steam sells games from all publishers.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:19PM bigwhiteyeti said

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@Trogdorwhore

The UI isn't nice. It's a great example of bloated software and wasted space on your screen.

I think it's hideous.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:02AM Chibithor said

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Unless I'm missing something, it would appear that europeans can go screw themselves. And by screw themselves I actually mean stay on Steam, which really isn't screwing anyone but EA at the moment, I guess.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:03AM Froody42 said

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Oh come on, EA... sale not valid in Germany? Seriously, how do they think they'll EVER be able to compete with Steam at this rate? This is just basic marketing 101.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:14AM Hunter141072 said

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@Froody42



you are kidding right???? not valid in Germany???? well, you always have steam......... :D
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:33AM Dratyan said

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@Froody42

Not available in Brazil as well...this is just plain stupid. I hope it doesn't take too long to EA realize Origin's a failure and stop fighting against Valve.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:07AM kmcroc said

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I like candy + I could use a new friend. Tirrd of having the same shitty friends. Hello friend.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 2:16PM freaparn said

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@kmcroc

The candy is inside a van with blacked out windows, and the creepy old dude driving it is your new friend.

Have fun!
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:20AM RX3115 said

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I do hope no one goes for these sales. EA has been acting rather anti-competitively and they do not deserve to be rewarded for their douchey tactics against Steam.

Regardless they are trying to fight a war against Steam starting off with those game? At this point everyone probably has Mirrors Edge and BF:BC2 twice over on Steam.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:21AM bargaingamer said

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I will pass an stick to steam or GoG. EA got not nothing special right now only game i'm interested in is battlefield 3 but that not coming out until November.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:29AM coledognz said

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Sale isn't valid in Australia / New Zealand either.

Digital retailers really need to drop this BS. I get sick of steam adjusting prices based on regions. Through steam alone, AU/NZ pays anywhere from 50 - 70% more for the majority of games compared to someone who resides in the US.

This really annoys me especially, because I am a US citizen by descent. I understand some regions have laws to prevent digital retailers from undercutting local retailers, but you can't run with that ball in every region just because one region said to.

Half the time it's cheaper for me to purchase games from the UK and have them shipped to New Zealand, than to purchase it through steam. They don't even change the prices to NZD, they are all USD: blatant cash grab money gouging.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:32AM Ospov said

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I looked at it last night and I didn't really like the site. I didn't feel like it was put together very well. The login was screwed up so I pretty much gave up after that and it wasn't easy to search for stuff right off the bat since it seems like they throw all the DLC into the searches as well. Maybe if I spend some more time there I will be more familiar with everything and it won't seem so bad, but why bother when Steam is still better?

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 9:59PM BananaBoat said

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@Ospov - Because Origin will probably be the only place to play Battlefield 3, sadly. Unless EA and Valve come to some sort of agreement in a hurry.

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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:00PM Ospov said

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@BananaBoat

If Battlefield isn't on Steam, then I won't buy it for PC until it is. I'll just pick up a copy for my PS3 so I can play it with my friends on there. I know it won't be as great as the PC version, but I have more friends that play Battlefield on the PS3 so at least I'll have a good squad when I play it.

I hope EA realizes that they're just going to hurt themselves in the long run if they start withholding games from Steam.
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Posted: Jul 31st 2011 3:17AM BananaBoat said

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@Ospov - It's more of a push/pull type of thing going on with EA and Valve. EA wants to sell DLC through their games (cutting Valve out of the profits), and Valve wants that content available through Steam.

Supposedly they've been at an impasse for weeks.
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Posted: Jul 31st 2011 3:32AM Ospov said

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@BananaBoat

Yeah that's what I've got from it anyway. It just doesn't make any sense to me because they've been in the same situation with DLC in-games before with Steam with other games, but it suddenly becomes a big deal right around the same time EA is kicking off their own digital distribution service Origin.

I know Valve is trying to get them to do it their way and that's why the games are being taken down, but this is just way to coincidental for anybody to think that there isn't something fishy going on here...
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Posted: Jul 31st 2011 4:07AM BananaBoat said

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@Ospov - Oh it's definitely fishy, but it will all work out in the end. If no one uses Origin, EA's games will be back on Steam before very long.
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Posted: Jul 31st 2011 9:17PM GCountach said

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@Ospov

EA login system has always been... how do I put it... broken.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:35AM (Unverified) said

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so does this mean i shouldn't buy Battlefield 3?

isn't this the same reason Valve stopped supporting Orange Box on Xbox 360/PS3? they didnt like how Microsoft told them how to sale DLC/updates

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:56AM Ospov said

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Except Valve wanted the updates to be free (like they are on PC) and MS likes people to pay for extra features. Plus there's a lot of authorization and stuff patches have to go through on XBL and PSN that Valve doesn't have to deal with on the PC.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:59AM Tihn said

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Valve wanted to be cool and Microsoft didn't let them. I also doubt they have the infrastructure and storage to update games as frequently as Valve does. Updates aren't even performed in the background! Can you imagine every few days booting Team Fortress 2 up and waiting on a blank menu for 200mb to download. No.

BEsides its cheaper to buy games off of Steam and you get a better experience (better graphics, free online play and more control options)
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:07PM (Unverified) said

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@Tihn isn't that what does happen with Tf2? i can't play the game until it finishes updating...which can be from a few MB to a few GB

Title Updates are different from DLC other than Burnout Paradise i can't remember many games that go above 5MB

i have over 200 games on Steam and been using it since 2004
Microsoft still has the best system for updates.

but... outside of the main Valve made games its a complete clusterfk
EA games have a login,Rockstar,GFWL,Activision,THQ,Ubisoft,Square...
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:36PM Tihn said

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Xbox= I have to sit and stare at nothing whilst an update downloads.
Steam= Downloads anytime my client is running so I don't have to run a game just to see if theres an update, with simultaneous downloads.

That is what I said.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 3:29PM Lemondish said

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@(Unverified) Technically, Valve didn't STOP supporting the Orange Box on PS3...they just never started.

Portal 2 on PS3 represents the evolution of that relationship, and how open companies can work together to make really awesome things that people embrace.
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