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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:20PM BaronVonSachsen said

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Japan just doesn't like western games on a whole. So when you have a console that is made by a western company with lots of western-made exclusive titles.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:50PM sigma8 said

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@BaronVonSachsen
They like Uncharted 2.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:08PM Koya said

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@BaronVonSachsen

And that is why I like that Microsoft got into the console business and that is why this gen has been so awesome.

No more dirty hand me down games filled with Japans culture and references that i don't care about and no more transgender guys looking like girls nonsence with their stupid hairstyles.

The best part of the gaming industry moving west would probably have to be the lack of Final Fantasy games, those games suck FF7 & 8 being the greatest RPGs ever my ass they all blow.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:13PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@Koya

Speak for yourself, I happen to like a bit of both worlds, too much western does my head in, its nice to have a variety
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:28PM LimitedVertigo said

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@Koya

Um you're being such a hypocrite. So basically it's okay for the market to be saturated with a particular type of product as long as you like it regardless of others. I prefer a variety as others have mentioned and it's pretty narrow minded to bash an entire region of products when they've given us some of the greatest games ever made.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:45PM Kimchi Kommando said

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@BaronVonSachsen

"So when you have a console that is made by a western company with lots of western-made exclusive titles."

. . . . . aaaaaaand.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 9:07PM baddates77 said

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@Koya Troll?
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 9:16PM sin2sin said

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@BaronVonSachsen

lots of exclusives?
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 9:30PM (Unverified) said

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@Koya
"And that is why I like that Microsoft got into the console business and that is why this gen has been so awesome. "
Pfft, this console generation has sort of sucked compared to last gen.
Possibly compared to the gen before it too, but honestly I'm expecting good things as this generation comes to an end.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 11:05PM GuardianLegend said

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@BaronVonSachsen
If DICE made a Mobile Suit Gundam game, I think it would be very well received in Japan. I'd love it too :)


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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 11:07PM maxxgold said

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@Koya

I couldn't agree with you more. Japanese games suck.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 11:57PM wrongThinker said

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@sigma8 I think Uncharted connects a bit better with Japanese gamers because of the defined characters. Typically, Western gamers favor customization or faceless/generic heroes (e.g. Skyrim, Call of Duty, etc.) where as Eastern gamers favor unique personalities (Final Fantasy, Uncharted, etc.).

Certainly there are exceptions to this, but this is a pretty solid rule of thumb.
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 1:31AM Electrium said

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@maxxgold I don't expect everyone in the world to like Japan's games but the blatant discrimination Koya used is not fair rationale.
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 2:14AM dblue said

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@BaronVonSachsen its because Japanese like male characters that look like chicks and 13 year old girls as the main love interest. xbox love gears of wars "western games" characters and Japanese cant relate
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 5:23AM Dehnus said

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@Koya Indeed, how much I love FF7 & FF8, I don't consider them RPG's. But then I don't consider MA and DA2 RPG's (At most they have RPG elements (Shooter with RPG elements/Hack and Slash with RPG elements).

To me an RPG is about tactics, character building/designing, Story (not centred about a set main character but a world where your character undergoes the story, a character you design), etc.

I consider FF7 and FF8 more Adventure games with RPG elements in them. And they are GREAT as that, I really enjoyed FF7, but hehe for me it is not an RPG ;).
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 6:11AM Viiral said

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@sigma8 PS3 is japanese made.
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 8:34AM Cyberzero said

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@maxxgold your avatar is from a japanese game :P heh
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 7:52PM dblue said

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@dblue people can down vote me but we all know its true
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Posted: Aug 19th 2011 12:27AM Tez said

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@Koya Look at all you stupid people who fell for koya's troll. Jesus.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 8:14AM Harold Camping said

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@Viiral ps3 gets made in china
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:00PM ShivanSwordsman said

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@Koya

Of course. Playing a relentless stream of shooters that were made for PC but instead dropped onto X-Box, with the role of [Insert Shave Heaed Super Masculine Tough Guy Space Marine Here] is far better than playing the drama filled, angst ridden, plot hole laced stories of Japan.

To be quite honest, I hate both sides of the ocean's "prime" gaming. Last Western game I ever enjoyed in the slightest was the first Dragon Age (NOT THE SECOND), for it's rich story, it's likable characters, and because I got to explore the game as much as I wished without it being another sandbox where I spend 20 minutes running from 1 town to the next.

From Japan, the last game I really ever enjoyed from their stock of games would have to be Persona 4. Detective mystery with some outrageous humor. I cared about the characters, I leveled up my mythological angels and demons, and I ate steak with Chie. Like was good, without the usual Japanese perversion (I'm trying to kill a demon here! Get your hooters out of my face!).

Basically:
Western games are about action and war and masculine 1 man army heroes with big guns.
Japanese games are about RPG and menus driven by androgyous angsty men with big hair.
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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 3:12PM kentuckyfried said

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@BaronVonSachsen

No, they're just smarter consumers and recognize a POS when they see one. =D

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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 5:00PM byaboy said

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@Koya There's all ways one...
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:20PM lSpam said

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It's 'iDOLM@STER', not 'Idolmaster'

jeez, Joystiq, get your act together. seriously.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:39PM Enigma7ic said

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@lSpam

I know you were trying to be witty and clever but I'm going to downvote you anyways.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:24PM Special Agent Bob said

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@Enigma7ic
Um thats how its actually spelled.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:50PM Kimchi Kommando said

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@Enigma7ic

Yes, that was "witty and clever", as opposed to being, I don't know, a pompus jerk.
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Posted: Aug 18th 2011 6:00PM xxxsam said

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@lSpam
iM@S is actually part of the problem imo. 360 had one big success area in Japan (and it's kind of indicated by the picture above) - the system got loads of 'otaku' games, while the games aimed for a more general audience (e.g. Blue Dragon) were so-so.

It got like, this is the system you only buy if you're an otaku.

Nothing wrong with those games if they are a small part of what's there for a system (as nowadays they are, on PS3) but it's pretty bad if they dominate.

Add that to the 'for the first few years the hardware was actually broken' fiasco, and people remembering the original Xbox... that's not looking like a public relations success.

BUT... and this is a pretty big but... it did *way* better than the original Xbox (which sold less than half a million). So, this one hasn't been a massive success - but their next generation system has every chance of being a contender.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:20PM JohnnyVonRotten said

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Microsoft needs to just let Japan go. It's a moneypit. Unlike Europe and the U.S., they just won't go with a company that isn't native. It's almost xenophobic.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:26PM xiLeShadow said

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@JohnnyVonRotten

or maybe they like playing games that relate to their social and historical culture? Ummm...

A lot of people from the west say Japanese hate American consoles or only buy Japanese. That is not true.

The reason why the Xbox 360 and the Xbox does not/did not sell well in Japan is because the games DO not relate to the culture at all. Yes, their are some exclusives but not worth the new console cost + Xbox Live fees.

How would the West feel if the Playstation just came out with pure Japanese games and one or two Western games. Sales would be on the down low.

Microsoft needs to refocus and investment in Japanese-based games to please the Japanese crowd, or else, like you said it is a "moneypit".
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:33PM copa said

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@JohnnyVonRotten

I dunno, are we xenophobic because we don't all buy Monster Hunter, or whatever bizarre dating simulation tears up the software charts over there?

I think they just have really different cultural preferences than Western consumers.

PS3 and Wii sell better over there because those consoles have the software that Japanese consumers like. And the software they like is produced mostly by local companies that have better relationships (and geographic proximity) with Sony and Nintendo than they do with Microsoft.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:34PM (Unverified) said

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@JohnnyVonRotten A xenophobia that Japanese companies like Sony have spent a long time building. Essentially they have spent the last 20-30 years convincing Japanese people that foreign manufacturers could, and will abandon them without the ability to get their hardware repaired or their software supported in a microsecond if given the chance. So the consumers gravitate away from the foreign products

That, and the 360 still has a dearth of Japanese genres like dating sims, JRPGs, and other stapels. They also seem to have very little clue as how to market to Japan, and how to capture the aesthetic that makes Japanese people buy. The only place I ever see a lot of 360 product is in Yodobashi camera, and I'm guessing that MS pays rent on the space, because I've only ever seen a single person browsing for games.

The good news is that thanks to partnerships with Japanese companies, western games are finally getting their fair shake with the players, instead of being stuck in a corner. Call of Duty, GTA etc are doing pretty well. There's hope yet, but MS has to learn how to sell to Japan first, and they'd do well to partner with an existing company there like Panasonic to give them street traction.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:34PM Doomzdae said

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I really like slot of Japanese developers so I hope they can still get support for the xbox even though they aren't going to sell games in their own region.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:35PM mimalo88 said

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@xiLeShadow

So, the Japanese aren't "almost xenophobic". They just don't like anything that isn't of their culture.

xenophobic adj. having abnormal fear or hatred of strange or foreign people and/or their politics or culture
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:36PM kcswanko said

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@xiLeShadow but really man, I think he has a point. The 360 has a very diverse line up so why does the whole world buy mainly Xbox but Japan? It just doesnt make sense.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:36PM haysoos123 said

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@JohnnyVonRotten
Not true. Samsung does very well, US-made movies are popular, MS Windows, PCs (most made in Taiwan) are everywhere, Apple also does well, etc. Need I go on?
Xbox has an image problem in Japan, which is largely a content and marketing issue. They are PERCEIVED to lack the types of games that tend to be popular in Japan. This is not really true because it has a large and varied library, but the flagship first-party games underscore this message.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:43PM xiLeShadow said

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@mimalo88

They don't fear, hate, etc. other cultures.

They just have a preference for what is popular in their culture.


J-Pop, Visual Kei, J-Rock, etc. aren't popular in the United States, are we xenophobic then? No

Even Anime is changed to fit Western standards when its released in the United States, Canada, and the Europe.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:44PM haysoos123 said

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@kcswanko
The whole world does NOT mainly buy xbox. You could say that of the Wii probably. PS3 and xbox 360 are almost even in terms of worldwide sales, with the small difference likely due to the xbox being first to market by a year. The PS3 could catch up to and surpass xbox sales by next year.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:46PM xiLeShadow said

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@kcswanko

The 360 does not have a very diverse library. It actually has the least diverse library of the three.

The strong points for the 360 are in the United States, Canada, and Europe. Which guess what? Have a similar culture.

Even the PS3 isn't doing as well in Japan, IMO. Might be caused by Sony's recent effort to focus more on Western games and development.

Japanese developers and publishers are focusing heavily on handheld gaming as such, home consoles are dipping in popularity in Japan.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:47PM Uberdave said

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@xiLeShadow

Except the 360 HAS games that do that. Many. Your excuse worked at the early part of its lifecycle but there are dozens of smups, dating sims, action games and various other genres only the japanese still like in any large number.

The ps3's biggest games are western focuses as well. How many FPS games has sony churned out in the last 5 years?


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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:47PM kcswanko said

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@haysoos123 could happen but with the 360 selling better every month so far in US/UK it would be hard.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:51PM sigma8 said

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@JohnnyVonRotten
"they just won't go with a company that isn't native. It's almost xenophobic."
...except Apple.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:56PM Tihn said

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@JohnnyVonRotten
your comment made me sick
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:56PM JohnnyVonRotten said

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@haysoos123 I'm talking about games.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:57PM jtenma said

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@xiLeShadow


"J-Pop, Visual Kei, J-Rock, etc. aren't popular in the United States, are we xenophobic then? No"

Most people don't have the awareness for it but people who tend to find that stuff through the internet. And even then, there is an extreme language barrier for what you just listed. How do we like what we cant even read?

Lets try stuff that is actually dubbed/subbed. Westerners absolutely love Japanese games or games made by Japanese developers as well as anime.

DMC (The real badass Dante)
Persona
Final Fantasy
DBZ (oldskool))
Cowboy Bebop
Trigun
Rorouni Kenshin
Yu Yu Hakusho
Outlaw Star
Naruto (I know it is not cool to list but suck it up)
Resident Evil
Ninja Gaiden
Dark Cloud
Zelda
Mario
Demon's Souls
Bayonetta
MVC series as a whole
Kirby
Megaman
Metroid
etc etc



Wait, as a matter of fact, many of us started playing video games because of Japanese developers!

If we don't hate, why do they get to hate?
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 7:58PM JohnnyVonRotten said

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@Tihn Okay. Just throw up over there, please.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:04PM xiLeShadow said

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@Uberdave

Xbox 360 doesn't have enough exclusives that cater to the Japanese audience to merit the purchase. In addition, the 360 doesn't have the social factor involved with higher sales.

You know the, my friend has a PS3 so I'm going to get a PS3.


and I know Sony has been pumping Western games for their PS3. That is why home consoles are becoming less and less popular in Japan.
Handhelds are kind there because that is where the tons of games are and the social factor is heavily there.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:07PM xiLeShadow said

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@jtenma

Like I said above. A lot of anime are filtered to fit the Western audience.

There are a lot of games and any media form that a lot of people like regardless of country.

You just listed a good list. Anime that caters to Japanese and at the same time western audience and video game series that do.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:09PM Space Cobra said

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@Uberdave

"Your excuse worked at the early part of its lifecycle.."

No. Microsoft did their darndest to woo gaming companies to make games for the XBox360; it was a strong focus. They wanted the Japanese market. They even went so far as to gift certain individuals of certain companies and got those exclusive releases.

But several things happened: Microsoft sorta abandoned that "goodwill" and tried to push American games, such as FPS, onto the Japanese. Sony also garnered a bit of corporate goodwill back from some game companies, but also the Japanese public at large (sales of the PS3 in Japan ARE stronger than the 360). There are other factors, too.

IMO, I feel that Microsoft did like many companies (who fail) in Asia do and not listen to the target audience. It is not like Japanese gamers hate FPS, but their Japan-specific titles were lacking and other areas of the 360 failed with the Japanese (such as reliability). After an initial success, Microsoft just assumed Japan was "in their pocket" and ignored it. Hell, Ford/Chrysler made the same mistake years ago.
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Posted: Aug 17th 2011 8:24PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@Space Cobra

I'd like to see how Westerners would feel if there was one console forcing you to play Japanese games with only a few American games, you too wouldn't buy it, so why get upset with the Japanese for not.

There's a bit of fanboyism here too, people are getting a little defensive BECAUSE its the 360 and it was made in America. Heck, so what if it stops getting sold, its not like they were finding success there anyway. Saves Microsoft and the retailers there a whole lot of time and effort.

Microsoft may not even bother next gen, and why should they, they have more than enough people in America and EU buying Xboxs. The Xbox simply does not appeal to Japanese audiences, its as simple as that, that's not the fault of the Japanese, its the fault of the marketing team behind the Xbox, Microsoft has more than enough money to invest in Japanese marketing, they just don't want to, so what can you say, that was bound to happen.

The main reason Xbox does well here in the EU is because we have more connection with the US then Japan does, so US things sell well here. But lets not get into Xenophobia, especially concerning the US, the pot can't call the kettle black ¬_¬
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