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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:47PM (Unverified) said

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@Once known as Shadsy
You made my day. :)
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:18PM Gemini Ace said

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And? It's a game. Movies have this kind of thing and nobody get's their panties in a bunch.

Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:23PM Assmar said

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@Gemini Ace

See: Transformers 2
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:24PM Assmar said

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@Gemini Ace

ACK! Sorry, don't see it, just look it up.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:26PM Gemini Ace said

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@Assmar Ha! Yea, I forgot about that.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:34PM PN04 said

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@Assmar
She's much less racist than the negrobots in TF2. But when I ran across her I figured someone was going to get annoyed, The problem is just because it's irritating doesnt change that there are people out there that match, maybe the thing that really makes it an issue is the whole digging through trash, but on the other hand My very first thought was "why is a woman dressed like that diggin' in the trash", and then I spoke to her and went "oh, that's why".

On a lighter note; I wonder if anyone else has noticed the black janitor with Caucasian hands. So yeah, maybe he got augmented but what, did they run out of black guy hands?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:39PM Skorpeyon said

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@PN04 And yet when I watched TF2 I thought of them more as hicks than any kind of racial stereotyping. Or more white trash than anything. But perhaps that's just me.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:17PM The Aquacharger said

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@PN04
At first I thought "What negro bots in Team Fortress 2?"
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:24PM AOClaus said

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@The Aquacharger You and me both.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:32PM ShivanSwordsman said

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@PN04

The fun thing is that there are people that ACTUALLY TALK LIKE THIS. I'm sorry that every black person in a medium has to be a positive role model that makes your whitey hero look like Lex Luthor, but let's face it: She's a helpful NPC, even if she's a transvestite.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:44PM RogueJedi86 said

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@The Aquacharger

My thoughts exactly. The only black guy in TF2 speaks with a Scottish accent, which is very anti-cliche. A black Scottish cyclops? Come on. Sure he gets that 70's-style afro as a hat, but that just makes him look even cooler. So I ask with the rest of you, "what TF2 negro bots?".
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:48PM Fire Walk With Me said

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@Gemini Ace Y Hallo dere Cap'n!
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 4:50PM Courtney said

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@Assmar

One of those robots from Transformers 2 was actually voiced by the same guy that does SpongeBob Squarepants...which always struck me as hilarious for some reason.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 6:07PM SuperJmad said

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@Assmar Those robots were not black, they were yellow and red... why does everyone think they are black racial stereotypes by hearing their voices?? Letitia in Deus Ex on the other hand? Well she's funny as hell. The bigger problem to me is the crap ass voice job for Adam, why is every white dude gravely and brooding?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 7:19PM making11s said

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@Gemini Ace

I didn't bother with Transformers 2 after seeing Transformers, but I did notice that they made the Pontiac black, had a voice actor that sounded like a black stereotype and it was the only one to die.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 7:58PM Xcrucio said

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@RogueJedi86

He meant Transformers 2, just unfortunately used an abbreviation that more commonly applies to Team Fortress 2 in the gaming community.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 10:21PM Jenks said

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@Gemini Ace

One important lesson I learned from Deus Ex Human Revolution:

In 15ish years, all crime in Detroit will be committed by white people.

Thanks for the realism, Squeenix.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2011 6:20AM mcnichoj said

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@Gemini Ace
"Movies have this kind of thing and nobody get's their panties in a bunch."
Unless it's Disney.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:19PM den69 said

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Don't want to watch incase of spoilers but cmon people, if it was a white character would we care?

Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:23PM Assmar said

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@den69

If it was a white character, would she speak like that?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:29PM austin43 said

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@Assmar

Some of the homeless (white) characters in deus ex in Detroit speak funny as well. This is a non-issue.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:29PM CaptainProtonX said

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@den69

If she were a white character, would she be digging in the trash AND speaking like that?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:30PM Dionkey said

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@Assmar I don't understand, she has an accent. It's not like they made every black person in the game talk like this.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:31PM agemyth said

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@Assmar No, she would probably speak like a redneck or some other form of white trash, and it would be completely okay just like she is in her current form.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:52PM mrantimatter said

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@CaptainProtonX
There are homeless white folks in the game as well, and yeah, they do talk funny at times.

There are also black people who talk without any accent, and are portrayed as quite well off.

This is a none story.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:39PM I am a machineee said

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@mrantimatter Yeah how about how most white folk and Mexicans are displayed in Red Dead Redemption?? Nobody has an issue with that. Or Spanish in RE4, it's only when it's black people that it's not okay. Equality, right?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 4:02PM Ikzai said

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@I am a machineee You're treading on some dangerous grounds. People get very upset when they are brought face to face with the truth.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 4:18PM Assmar said

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@den69

That's clearly a different kind of slang other than the black vernacular heard or spoken by any of us. Do you not hear the difference because you don't want to hear it? That clip someone else posted of Bamboozled was spot on.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 6:28PM Lerkero said

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@den69
As a black person, that lives in USA, in Detroit, MI I can say that this is an actual person somewhere in this city as of right now, September 1, 2011 (and will most likely survive into the future).

I would only care if this is the ONLY depiction of blacks in the entire game. Otherwise, I would not care. There are blacks that still talk that way, but there are also blacks that have adapted to speaking regular English. If they don't have it both ways in the game then it is no longer fair.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 6:29PM Lerkero said

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@Lerkero

I should also add that I have seen worse names. So that's not a big deal either.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 6:51PM den69 said

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@Lerkero

But as people have already said that isn't the only example of black people in the game, but even if it was the only example of black people in the game would it really matter? I really don't like how society thinks these days.
I don't see people by the colour of their skin first, I see them as people, individual characters. Saddens me that that isn't the case for the majority.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 8:21PM Jennacide said

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@austin43
The homeless in Detroit spoke like transiants. She speaks like a stereotypical slave from Roots. There is a difference. Speaking like she was homeless wouldn't be a problem. Speaking like you're just waiting to hear her say "yes massa" is a problem.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 10:20PM DaDiddles said

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@den69

To answer your question, no, no we wouldn't.

This is the first time I've seen this character, and seriously, WTF is the problem? She reminds me of The Oracle from The Matrix, except she kinda lost it and became homeless. I seriously don't understand the controversy. Jar Jar seems more racist than this character, and he was a m-f-ing alien!
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 10:25PM DaDiddles said

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@Jennacide

She's just ONE character. Seriously. Even if this was somehow racist, it's one character in a game world, and she's not even a very prominent one from my understanding.

Calling things like this racist is like the boy who cried wolf. When something genuinely racist happens, people are just going to say "oh here we go again with the race card."
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Posted: Sep 6th 2011 4:24PM RoamDog said

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@den69 "I don't see people by the colour of their skin first, I see them as people, individual characters. Saddens me that that isn't the case for the majority. "

If you don't see people by color, then.... why would you even have a problem with the way this character was talking?

on top of which everyone saying "who even talks like that? thats racist"
well, this fictional character talks like this.

I don't even see a problem with this. At all.

Is it more racist to just make an issue out of this character and NO OTHER character in the game? problaby, you hypocrites.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:20PM Xoonaka said

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That's weird, I found Deus Ex to be one of the best examples of using diverse races in games. Tons of races represented at EVERY level of the economic food chain and each has wildly varying opinions on the "ethics" of the world... no one race seems to fall into any "niche" of who they are "supposed" to be.

Maybe this one character acts like something out of Huckleberry Finn, but there's many many more that act completely differently. Isn't that what being "diverse" is about?

Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:35PM Laivindil said

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@Xoonaka

But news media does not want to be diverse. They want to sensationalize and pick out the tiny little bits that can prove their point and rattle some cages.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:43PM SolitudeZero said

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@Laivindil

Kinda like the whole "Mass Effect is nothing but a sex simulator!" argument from Fox News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

Yeah, that one. Morons that haven't the slightest clue about things they don't try to understand yet want to act like they know every bit of subject matter.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:00PM (Unverified) said

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@Laivindil

Evan Narcisse is not the random ignorant "media," he's a fairly well known video game writer.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 7:33PM UnverifiedUser said

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As "well known" as this author may be, its just too bad that this article happens to be a non-issue, then. Although, I'm sure if Evan Narcisse were Mexican, he'd find Zeke Sanders, a member of an extremist, labeled terrorist, organization who takes hostages early in the game, to be a racist connotation, as well. *sigh*
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:20PM LOKIOLR said

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Glad to see Tracy Morgan is still getting some work.

Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:31PM baby sea tuna said

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@LOKIOLR

He's just trying to suppliment his EGOT with a VGA, which I guess would make it a...VEGOT?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:00PM CaptainProtonX said

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@baby sea tuna

WHO YOU CALLING A VEGOT???

RACIST!
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:20PM PR0F3TA said

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i was gonna say something about political correctness but then i saw the video lol.

Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:24PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@PR0F3TA

It's not like she has a fried chicken leg in one hand & a 40 oz in the other. Yeah the voice work makes her sound dumb and uneducated but she's a vagrant living on the street ... what do you expect? Ya know ...
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:36PM xalith said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell Well she does give you a hint if you bring her enough beers. Thank god they didn't program 40's in this one (they were everywhere in the first game) otherwise, you might have had to bring her those instead.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:37PM Uncle Jesse said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell

She has standards. She'd only accept a 40 of Hot Devil.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:50PM embassy said

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@Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell

This makes me question the general perception of blacks because, literally, NO ONE talks like this. This is literally Jim Crow-era minstrel/blackface-type stereotyping. It's so exaggerated it's past the point of being racially insensitive and is just flat out absurdly hilarious and bad game design. To me, I'm less bothered by the racial insensitivity and more amazed that they thought such an over-acted performance was acceptable in such a cinematic character-driven AAA game.

We've seen plenty of stereotypes performed with class and tact (GTA series, to name one) that don't borderline break the suspension of disbelief of the (otherwise) thoughtfully-crafted game world.

Regardless, It's funny that anyone thinks people (regardless of culture) actually act like that.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 2:57PM embassy said

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@embassy

To add to that, this is also a problem for other VO performances in general in the game.

Oh, and...

"Letitia". Really? lol c'mon.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2011 3:15PM LENSconcept said

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@embassy

i have absolutely heard people talk like that. being near a city with a good amount of vagrants, i hear that kind of speech quite frequently.
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