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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:38PM Slight of Ham said

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Man, I love living in an Oligarchy!

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:40PM The Harbinger of Pie said

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Whoa...too many big words...

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:44PM SpaceFox said

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@The Harbinger of Pie

Let me guess, you've never read a newspaper have you?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:16PM Shadowbender said

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@SpaceFox

I'm sorry. "Newspaper"? I'm not follwing...
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 8:55PM President Taco said

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@SpaceFox Is that a website or something?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:44PM Emokitteh said

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This article has a very negative tone to it.

So many laws in the US are written vaguely with loop holes in mind. EA has taken advantage of it.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:54PM XC4L1 said

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@Emokitteh
Agreed!
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 1:56PM (Unverified) said

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@Aguiluz

And more tax money for all the people on food stamps and welfare.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:52PM Ignatius said

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Goes to show you the lengths people will go to avoid paying taxes.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:50PM evilkoala said

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@Ignatius

Companies aren't people... unless you ask the Supreme Court.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 7:19PM BookishOwl said

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@evilkoala
Rights-bearing individuals do not forfeit their rights when they associate in groups, the same applies to profit-based groups - ie: companies. As such, companies are nothing more than a collection of people working together, and therefore infer all rights of the individuals. This is evident in the fact that companies can own land, be sued/sue others, and have free speech (cable news; CNN, MSNBC, and the like) - just like individuals.

Companies ARE nothing more than a group of individuals working to a end goal. Companies ARE people.

Here is a good, short, article explaining these views:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/corporations-are-made-of-people/
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 7:48PM matrices said

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@BookishOwl

The foolishness of this argument is evident in its application: if a group of people, however organized, is nothing but a multiplicity of individuals (who just "happen" to be in a group), then it follows that there is no advantage in forming a group. Which is of course nonsense, since people form groups to gain an advantage all the time (corporations, armies, gangs).

People retain "their" rights in groups, yes - but corporations are not just amalgamations of people. They are entities that happen to be made up of people but are in fact organized and created for specific purposes.

This truth is self-evident: when a corporation can lobby and purchase elected officials, it is not exercising the right of individuals qua individuals, but only individuals qua corporations - i.e., as members of the ruling class, interested in nothing but the power of the ruling class.

This is why Adam Smith warned that the government should act as a brake on capitalism, and this is also why America is now a Third World country, with a disgustingly rich power-wielding class lording it over the stupified and disempowered masses.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 9:00AM theBrayn said

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@Ignatius

I think you may have actually missed the point of V for Vendetta.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:56PM 2late2die said

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Companies use shady tactics to keep more money to themselves. News at 11.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:59PM BoBsS said

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@2late2die

Using openly available sources and lobbying which is a given right to all corporations in the US is shady?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:03PM MystcLazrDragon said

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@BoBsS Just because lobbying is legal doesn't make it any better.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:43PM Bandit5317 said

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@2late2die
You're right, the government has the right to just take 35% right off the top of their profits, because they deserve it. I'm no fan of EA, but taxes on all companies in the U.S. are ridiculous. The loopholes wouldn't be necessary if the government just lowered taxes and actually made it possible for them to run a profitable business without such tactics.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:00PM Qehb said

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@Bandit5317

Do you propose we just tax people instead of those innocent mega-corporations?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:35PM Kresh said

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@Qehb Who do you think actually pays those taxes? The consumer pays those taxes. Those taxes are built into the price of every game and product that a company develops and ships out the door.

Let's be honest, no company really ever pays taxes. We do. You, me, and every person who purchases anything. We. Pay. Those. Taxes.

Thanks to a government that thinks they should get a slice of everything (and are hankering for an even bigger slice thanks to all that stupid social program spending they're doing) we're being double and triple taxed on our income every day.

So, yeah, I don't have a problem with them finding a loophole to get out of those taxes; I'd do the same if I were them. Paying taxes sucks ass. Paying 35% taxes to a government that's going to flush all that money away on programs that the government isn't even supposed to be spending money on sucks even greater ass.

So yeah, go EA. GE did the same thing and nobody made a peep.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 7:21PM darthnilloc said

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@Kresh Yeah, damn that government for providing education, health care, emergency services, protection for the poor, sick and elderly, and more.
Thank god they're not spending an equal amount of money fighting multiple wars on foreign soils.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 8:58PM GuardianLegend said

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@Kresh
Some of what you say makes some sense, but ultimately all I'm hearing from you is: "I wish I could rape other people in the ass like EA is doing. Oh well, I will continue getting raped in the ass and wish I was doing the raping instead."





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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 9:20AM theBrayn said

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@darthnilloc

If you really want to help people then you'd be better off donating money to charities rather than giving it to a bloated and wasteful government. It is undeniable fact that charity is far better at distributing money to where it is needed than the government.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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@darthnilloc

You do know that Entitlement programs (social security, medicare and medicaid is where the biggest amount of US tax dollars go to. Not wars.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 5:42PM leobebes said

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@theBrayn

You really didn't read up on the Great Depression did you? If you read up a little on it you'll read that Herbert Hoover was a big advocate on charities as a proper response to deal with the overwhelming amount of poverty and unemployment at the time. This tactic is considered was considered a miserable failure by many leading historians. Hoover quickly realized this wasn't working and instituted his own public works program, however it was it attempted on a very small scale to appease his conservative base. FDR was elected and implemented the largest public works program in the history of this nation. To this day many programs are still in place that keep many Americans afloat. Of course these programs costs money, you have to look at the cost-benefit analysis of such programs. What many fans of supply side economics don't realize is that the middle class and the poor create most of the consumer demand in this country (collectively speaking its the largest consumer base in the country) so therefore if the poor and the middle class stay afloat so does consumerism. If you continue to give companies tax breaks after tax breaks with there is absolutely no incentive to create jobs if there is little to no demand. These corporation take the additional savings in taxes and then reinvest them into capital gains which are grossly under-taxed at 15% especially if it used as income.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:58PM BoBsS said

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I'm sorry Joystiq but I don't understand why the sleazy negativity in this article? EA isn't doing anything wrong nor are they using loopholes to avoid taxes or having tax cuts.

They're just using what's available for them internationally and domestically to reduce their losses on taxes as much as they can.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:37PM The Aquacharger said

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@BoBsS
See it's cool to hate on big buisnesses.

See any college english class.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:44PM southernpredator said

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@BoBsS

"They're just using what's available for them internationally and domestically to reduce their losses on taxes as much as they can."

Agreed, so why EA refuse to understand Gamer's choice between new/used games sales, because Gamer's "Just using what's available for us". /s
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 4:02PM DaDiddles said

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@BoBsS

So anything legal is morally correct right?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 4:13PM DaDiddles said

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@The Aquacharger

I'm an English major and I don't recall blatant anti-business lectures. We mostly learned about literature, and you know, how to read and write, critical thinking and whatnot. The idea that all colleges have some sort of liberal agenda is idiotic.

This country has moved so far to the right that Reagan and Nixon actually look more leftist than Obama. If the colleges are brainwashing the masses into socialists it's had the complete opposite effect of what one would expect.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 9:04PM GuardianLegend said

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@BoBsS
The NYT article seems to specifically say they ARE using loopholes.
It says that years ago, the US government was afraid of Japan's technology ripping up America's economy, so the government started heavily subsidizing any R&D expenditures by companies. Then EA and other game companies lobbied the government to include video game R&D in that subsidization process.

Here's the thing... no one understands why this makes any sense. Why subsidize video game R&D at all? What's the point? Why does this need to happen?

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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 11:20PM The Aquacharger said

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@DaDiddles
Tell that to my english profs. who have all done nothing but spewed out liberal agendas.

Then in my Poli. Sci. classes they do nothing but spew out conservative agendas. It's annoying.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 12:01AM Vagrant Zero said

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@DaDiddles You're an idiot if you somehow think the concept of taxation has any moral equivalency.

I can just imagine it now, God booming to Moses "Thou shalt pay thy taxes to thy fullest, any attempt to get creative, and I shalt ruin your collective shits".

11th Commandment right there. They left it out of the Bible due to space constraints.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 10:47AM CplCupcake said

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@Vagrant Zero Actually the bible does say something about a 10% tithing.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 1:58PM xiLeShadow said

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So where EA's tax havens located at?

The most popular locations in the Americas are the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and a few other Caribbean Islands.

I don't mind tax incentives to promote an intellectual advantage in a country. What I do mind is when multinational corporations tax advantage of it and move all the money away from the country giving the tax incentives. Bleeding money from our country.

A lot complain about welfare for the poor but never realize that corporate welfare eats 18 times more money from the State. And guess what? The money spent on welfare for the poor, stays in the country and are helping the people who need help while Corporate welfare can be transferred in a matter of seconds to any country.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:56PM DaDiddles said

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@xiLeShadow

Welfare for... the poor?

Liberal agenda! Class warfare! Socialism! Anti-freedom! Giving money to the poor makes baby Jesus cry!
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 4:05PM Bandit5317 said

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@xiLeShadow
You must be joking, where do you get your info? You think Welfare costs 18 times less than Corporate Welfare? It costs far more. Medicare and Social Security cost $1.2 Trillion dollars PER YEAR. Here are my sources: http://www.workinglife.org/blogs/view_post.php?content_id=15190
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html
Notice that the one regarding the cost of Corporate Welfare is actually making the same argument you are, but not even they cast such outlandish figures. The fact that you were upvoted to such an extent really makes me believe that my generation has no idea how the government spends our money and why.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 4:16PM DaDiddles said

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@Bandit5317

Since when is Social Security and Medicare welfare?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:02PM xiLeShadow said

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@Bandit5317

I would have taken you seriously if you would have listed social programs created for the poor.

Social Security is given to all Americans who have paid into the Social Security program, not just the poor.

Medicare is a social program intended to give health care to senior citizens of the age of 65 or higher and/or those who are permanently physically disabled or fits another medical condition.
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Posted: Sep 12th 2011 9:26AM theBrayn said

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@xiLeShadow

Except that the poor spend the money on the cheapest items available. 9 times out of 10 those products were not made in the US. So much for your theory that the poor keep more money in the domestic economy.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:02PM MystcLazrDragon said

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I understand that it's business but, this just makes me sick.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:08PM The Aquacharger said

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@MystcLazrDragon
If it counts Microsoft and Coca-Cola paid less then 12% of their taxes last year.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:20PM Faceless Troll said

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@MystcLazrDragon Did you know that the NFL is a non-profit, and therefore tax exempt?
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:33PM The Aquacharger said

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@Faceless Troll
I'm currently doing a paper over corrupt economics and I didn't even know that.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:23PM MystcLazrDragon said

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@Faceless Troll That's such bullsh*t, yeah tax me the 16 year old kid working his ass off everyday for minimum f*cking wage, while the NFL gets $2.6 MILLION per Superbowl ad spot and pays no taxes. I know this has nothing to do with games but this pisses me off.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:23PM Faceless Troll said

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@The Aquacharger Here's another fun one, General Electric managed to avoid paying taxes altogether last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted=all
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:39PM rowd149 said

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@Faceless Troll

That's disgusting. Like, if I think about it too hard, I think I will physically retch. Even more so, when considering how much time and money and energy people will put toward that than constructive efforts. Like how all those congresspeople were going to skip Pres. Obama's speech to see a kickoff... people god, people; priorities.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 5:41PM rowd149 said

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@rowd149 *good god (sorry, phone typo)
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 11:21PM The Aquacharger said

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@Faceless Troll
Thank you. You litterally just helped my write this paper I was stuck on.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 11:34PM The Aquacharger said

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@rowd149
To be fair most congress meetings no one shows up to. All the congress logs in the US are forged since they're almost always empty. Then the congress men say,"If I were there I would've said this. So write that in."
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:12PM Mmmmz said

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I have a bigger issue with lobbying and lobbyists. Mainly, the exchange of money and favors for laws. That's just bullshit and needs to stop. Just like campaign financing needs a major overhaul. When the top bidder wins 90% of the time (Figure pulled from ass but it's pretty close, especially with presidential elections of late) you have a broken country.

Companies getting tax breaks, eh BFD. If we don't they'll just move to Canada like they've been.

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