Fils-Aime discusses 3DS DLC, says Wii and Wii U will coexist

@I am a machineee


Coexist...sure.... for three or two months, right when Nintendo starts killing the Wii with crappy games to force people to buy the new one, just like they are starting to do with the NDS.

@Hunter141072 They're already killing the Wii with no software and crap software.

The Wii will co-exist like how the PS2 co-existed. By not supporting it at all and people still buying it cause it's super cheap.

@stiqlol

Unless I missed the memo I don't see how the WiiU can launch at $250. With everything it's going to do it's be a miracle if it launched below $400.

@hami83

You said it man, and it´s always the same story, companies like nintendo are in such a hurry to insert their new consoles that they rather destroy a established market ( like the wii or the DS) than supporting it. Even if the new console was not a hit ( 3ds again).

Make that "pillar" not "tier".

@Oddgirl

agreed with pretty much everything.

@Oddgirl On the contrary. The Wii has an established market and is even cheaper to produce now that they've nixed the GameCube support. Casual buyers are much more likely to buy a Wii, even this late into the game than they would be the Wii U.

Let's face it, the Wii U is going to be more expensive, and less appealing to the casual market, which has been Nintendo's bread-and-butter for the past five years.

Hardcore gamers have already jumped shipped to the Xbox 360 or PS3, and the only notable Wii games that ever come out are made by Nintendo and include the word "Mario" or "Zelda" somewhere in the title.

tl;dr - The casual market will be content with the Wii for years, and hardcore gamers have already moved on to brighter pastures courtesy of Microsoft and Sony.

@Oddgirl

I think it depends on the price. Some low income households will pay $50 to play a wii on their standard def tv over paying $250 to get HD content, downrez'd to SD on their standard def tv. Let's see how the pricing structure goes before we make predictions.

@Calatia
Maybe, but with no major first party games, sales will continue to fall. I think within a year of the wii U, all major third parties as well as Nintendo will have jumped to the wii U, leaving nothing but budget developers still releasing games for it.

I just don't see it having the long tail of support and releases something like the ps1 or ps2 had.

@Calatia Wi is the PS2 of this generation.
Wii games will still make money for the next few years.
Wii U will start out slow and have the 1st generation like DS titles where they had top screen GBA games with thrown in touch screen controls on the bottom screen

@mrantimatter The casual market will still be happy with whatever games already exist. Nintendo seems fearful to distance themselves from the Wii, especially by calling their next console the Wii U.

Honestly I think a part of their strategy is misinformation, getting people who don't know a lot about gaming to buy Wii U games, thinking they will work on the Wii. The same can be said of the 3DS, where consumers think 3DS games will work on previous models because the DS is an established brand and they don't want to move away from it. Nintendo prides itself on innovation, but really they're still holding onto an old rope, while desperately trying to reach out for the next.

Third-parties don't take Nintendo seriously, and investors haven't taken too kindly to the announcement of the Wii U either. Let's face it, when a mainstream third-party title goes out there is almost always a PS3 and Xbox 360 version. Publishers have to custom make games for Nintendo, because of their wacky control scheme. So while we might see more mature titles, the relevant ones in whatever franchise won't be released on the Wii U.

@Calatia

The Wii U's control scheme isn't all that wacky. It really won't seem that way once Sony and Microsoft introduce the Dual Screen Dual Shock and Microsoft SKREEN Pad 720, respectively.

@Oddgirl
I too doubt this will happen, but imo the backwards compatibility actually makes it slightly more likely. Since people could buy WIi games whether they owned a Wii or a Wii U.

@Calatia

Not sure what "hardcore gamers" you're talking about. But I've supported the Wii since day one and I'll continue to support them until the Wii U drops, at which point, I'll upgrade to a Wii U.

Don't confuse real gamers or "hardcore gamers" with the casual masses that only have one console (PS3 or Xbox 360 or Wii). Hardcore gamers - or as I prefer, "Real Gamers" are the gamers that own all three consoles, play all the big games, exclusives, etc - and who don't sit around hating on a console because it has a large selection of shovelware. Real gamers see past the garbage and play all the diamonds.

If you have only one console - you are not a real gamer or a hardcore gamer - you are a casual gamer.

@A Sandwich

I don't think Microsoft or Sony have any interest in what Nintendo is doing with the Wii U. Nintendo is scared of Apple because they've been profiting from the casual demographic, which is clearly where Nintendo is and has placed all their chips. Why do you think they're shoving what is virtually an iPad into their controller?

Nintendo is trying to find relevance in the industry again. If you have a smartphone that is on you all the time that you can also play quality casual games on, you don't really need a portable Nintendo console, especially one that is bulky and has poor battery life.

The Wii U, from has been revealed still won't have anywhere near the offerings of what you can find on Xbox Live or the PSN today. Nintendo is still trying to play catch-up and it is still so very far behind in this regard.

One of the few things Nintendo has going for it are established franchises like Mario and Zelda, but even then they aren't consistent with new releases. It's taken six years for Nintendo to put out a Zelda game tailored to the Wii, six years. Everyone I know literally has to dust off their Wii to play this game because nothing noteworthy has really come out for the Wii in years.

Gamers bought the Wii with hope in their eyes and were mostly met with disappointment. The Wii U looks to be more of the same gimmicks while still very indeterminate of their audience, casual or hardcore? They're attempts to appeal to both of those audiences has been lackluster at best.

@Axcalibur So, you admit the Wii has a large collection of shovelware. Why buy a console at launch from a company that has become known for it's abundance of shovelware?

As you said, play the gems from the big three. The other two have consistent high profile releases, as well as viable markets for indie games that are as good, if not sometimes better than those released by big name publishers.

The only good games for the Wii, and likely the Wii U are going to be the ones Nintendo creates and publishes themselves, and even then those games are only released few-and-far-between.

@Axcalibur

I have just one current gen console (not including handhelds), but around fifteen consoles since the Atari VCS. What does that make me?

@Calatia Thanks for writing that. You saved me the trouble. Props!

@A Sandwich

You mean the PS Vita?

@Calatia

Xbox 360 and PS3 have shovelware as well. Look at the Xbox 360's indie games section - it's just piles of garbage.

Every console has had it's shovelware - so why condemn one console, especially a console that's not even out yet, with something as inevitable as shovelware. You need to look past the garbage and play the goods.

@Axcalibur Everything on WiiWare is shovelware, with the exception of maybe a few games. Multiple games on the XBLA have been true gems, praised by fans and critics alike.

There are far more Indie Games on XBL, so yes a good portion of those can be considered shovelware, but hell the Xbox 360 even does shovelware better than Nintendo.

Not only can Nintendo not keep up with other people's games, they can't even manage to release their own games on the Virtual Console, and that basically just involves dumping a ROM into the shop.

@MowDownJoe

hahaha c'mon bro, the Wii is no where near the awesomeness that the PS2 was. If you mean ONLY sales then yes, it sold the most this gen, but the Wii lacked EVERYTHING else that made the PS2 awesome (ie. games)

if you want to praise Nintendo you should have at least said the DS, now THAT is a PS2 killer. Awesome games, Awesome everything. The DS is Nintendos PS2 of this gen.

@PR0F3TA what games? for a system that sold some many units,why did most games sale about the same as a xbox/gamecube title?

beyond that,Sony doesnt have many 1st party games outside of God of War what else sold well for them?

@(Unverified)

i was gonna reply but then you ended it with this...

"beyond that,Sony doesnt have many 1st party games outside of God of War. what else sold well for them?"

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@(Unverified) Gran Turismo is Sony's killer app. It dances circles around God of War when it comes to raking in lots of currency.

@MowDownJoe

Actually, the Wii's popularity peaked around 2007/2008. Now, it's selling less than the PS3 and XBOX 360.

They're due in December, according to the Ambassador program press release.

@baby sea tuna Been asking that forever

@creid8

They usually catch shit because their initial DLC are things they've already created, but simply removed from the game to suck a few more dollars out of people.

@DekuTree Exhibit A, folks.

@creid8
Ya'll talk like the weak online components are a weakness, and to a point they are. But I can’t tell you how much I love not having to pay DLC for my Wii games. I know when I buy Skyward Sword Sunday, I’m getting the full game, not half a game where I’d have to pay another $60 for bombchus, elemental arrows, or the last several dungeons. I love not paying money to play Mario Kart or Goldeneye online. I LOVE not having online passes for used games, and I LOVE buying new games for Club Nintendo goodies like posters or Game and Watch cartridges. And I love how polished the games are upon launch, not bug ridden affairs that still need months and several megabytes of patches. Wiiware size limits and the lack of game invites or in game voicechat do suck but in my eyes that’s been a small price to pay to not deal with the rest of the industry’s BS.

@Vic Fontaine
That was meant to be a reply elsewhere, but eh it still fits and is still true.

@Vic Fontaine I guess you forgot about the e-Reader? Nintendo was selling add-on content stripped out of the game before everyone else was. And didn't people have to mail away to get their Twilight Princess cannon room save glitch fixed? Patch sure would've been a lot easier.

@Vic Fontaine

You are 100% correct.

Moving on ...

@DekuTree
and you base this on what, exactly? Remember, this is the company that makes a killing porting games to new platforms over and over again for 5-full price.

@mrantimatter

B-b-b-but they said they would..

@mrantimatter

If their stand on achievements is any indication, Nintendo's intention to stick to their word rarely falters.

@mrantimatter

Yeah, nobody else does that. I mean look at all the HD collections Nintendo has ... oh, wait.

@A Sandwich

Uh, when did you become a Nintendo apologist? Did you get body-snatched or something?

@A Sandwich

Also, if you don't think Nintendo is going to start releasing HD collections as soon as they have the ability to do so, you are nuts.

@baby sea tuna

I've always kinda been a Nintendo apologist, but I just find that particular argument a little silly. Of course there are more Nintendo remakes, they've been in the game almost twice as long as either Microsoft or Sony.

@baby sea tuna

You are absolutely right and I am not looking forward to it.