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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:11PM jevangelho said

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I'm the author of the original article @ VGW, and I can assure you that daily our comments from afflicted users continues to rise -- and we're certainly not the biggest site on the block. The vocal minority is showing up in droves, so how many aren't posting comments?

Microsoft is ignoring the issue.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:15PM TerryMasters said

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@jevangelho Microsoft never ignores the issue! Like when they made a statement about the red ring of death, despite multiple reports from major gaming sites claiming the number was above 50%, Microsoft broke their ASS telling us it was "just a small percentage".

I'm sure this is just a small percentage too.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:27PM Zo said

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@jevangelho

I am not saying your wrong, but people do lie and Microsoft would be a big target for people to smear. You have comments but do you actually have proof or just hear-say? We have no idea if the issue with the EA servers too.

I am not defending MS, they are big boys and can take care of themselves, but the way the internets go, they can climb on something without all the evidence and proof as well -- so I am not claiming that you are wrong, but I don't the follow up and actual investigation on your side either.

I believe everyone would like to see more facts than just opinion or speculation because with every story, there is bogus pile on and there is some truth.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:37PM VaultBoy said

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@jevangelho It happened to me, and it took over two months for my account to be fixed. I did get an entertaining e-mail from EA though with a transcript of the hacker's failed attempt to transfer rights for their Season Pass. Good looking out EA :)
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:41PM jevangelho said

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@Zo Just keep an eye on all the victims that are bound to comment here, as well. I trust the original source regarding the Paypal phone call, and I'm convinced this is NOT a smear campaign.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:55PM sammo21 said

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@TerryMasters I am literally on my 11th XBox 360 from red rings. I will not buy MS's next console well over a year into its life span.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:19PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@Zo

I haven't seen similar reports of victims of the hack on PSN. It doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a problem with the EA servers but a cursory review can kind of eliminate EA servers as the root cause.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:41PM SuperWoody64 said

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@jevangelho
I was hacked, I woke up one morning and my phone's app said I was playing FIFA12 and the person even got me 35G. All my MSP were gone and luckily they didn't use my attached credit card. (I have a card attached for WP7 purchases since they won't let me use MSP on it.)

I know for a fact I wasn't phished since I only ever play (chat) with people I actually know. I called MS and they said to change my password and such and I took my credit card info. off of the account.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 3:02PM Muckrak3r said

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@jevangelho I was hacked back in October - via Madden 12. It's not just FIFA, it's EA sports games. They emptied my 4000 points from my account buying in-game gold or something like that, and then charged my card for 400 more points.

that tiny purchase is how I figured out it had happened. this is a HUGE issue, yet isn't getting a spotlight on it, and MS and EA have yet to resolve the issue.

the innocent gamers immediately get their accounts locked out for a MINIMUM of 1 month. I missed the Gears 3 launch dammit!
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 5:05PM Arteen said

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@jevangelho I got hacked too. I'm surprised there aren't more stories about this.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 10:53PM Co said

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This is laughable and so expected. Never with Nintendo would people get the run around like this. Actually, never with Nintendo would this have happened in the first place. And people complain that they have to reenter their CC info every purchase on the Wii Shop Smh
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:13PM DCGX said

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This happened two me on December 27th too. Luckily I saw it right away and was able to change my password without any damage done outside of the 2400 points the hacker stole to buy Call of Duty 4. The lady I spoke with at Microsoft was very nice and refunded my account the points immediately, but this is still very disconcerting especially since there doesn't seem to be a clear cut reason as to how these people are hacking accounts (unless Microsoft is choosing not to say anything as of yet, maybe in hopes of getting the upper hand and ending this).
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:03PM maveric101 said

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@DCGX

I'm almost positive that the way my account was hacked is that someone got my email and password combo by hacking another website where I used the same combo. Honestly, I was actually using my least secure password for my Windows Live account, which was stupid, since I had my credit card info on it.

I definitely didn't fall for any phishing scams, and I doubt MS's security is actually being beaten.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:14PM eat it said

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at the very least Microsoft should allow people the ability to delete credit card accounts from their windows accounts.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:20PM papershadow said

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@eat it

They do, I just removed my Paypal information from my account on the website. It was real easy
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:21PM (Unverified) said

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@eat it Cant you? I used to have a credit card associated with Live before I thought better of it and deleted it. Or is there a distinction between Windows Live accounts and Xbox Live accounts in terms of credit cards? If so, ignore me. I only ever use my windows live ID for xbox live.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:26PM Softserve said

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@eat it They didn't used to, but they finally enabled the option a while back... I would guess over a year ago, at least.

But either way, there was a significant portion of time you could NOT remove payment options. I actually had someone at some point buy some MS related products using my Paypal account...

But luckily, Paypal gives you the option to turn off automatic approval of payments by vendor. I disabled that for my Xbox and several other sites I rarely used.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:37PM eat it said

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@eat it

If I go to xbox.com and go to the billing to remove it it gives me an error saying:

This payment option cannot be removed at this time. Go to the Payment method information page to view services associated with this payment option.

when I click on the link, it takes me to billing.microsoft.com from there it is impossible to remove your card info. I've called and they told me that it's not an option.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:44PM RuddyMysterious said

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@eat it
Same message on my account too.

Its a bit of pain so I decided to just randomly change my details so they were all incorrect. Obviously I shouldn't have to do this.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:02PM eat it said

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@RuddyMysterious

good thinkin. I just changed it all around
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:06PM maveric101 said

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@eat it

if i remember correctly, you can't remove your last (or only) credit card until you disable auto-renewal of subscriptions.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:09PM Kyle4 said

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@eat it That's strange. After reading this article I went there immediately to remove my credit card and it worked. I've had problems in the past switching them but this time there wasn't a problem.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:11PM copa said

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@eat it

eat is correct. If you're only remaining payment option on file is a credit card, and you try to remove it, the website will not let you. Instead, you have to call customer service to undergo counseling through this process.

In my case, the phone rep wanted to know why I was removing my card. He tried to talk me out of it. He kept changing the subject to things like offering me discounted Gold subscription renewals, like he was hoping I'd forget why I called. When I mentioned I was concerned about the FIFA scam, he subtly mocked me for believing dumb Internet rumors.

Microsoft does not want you to remove that card. They can live with you getting hit with fraudulent charges, and having your account locked down for a month, but they can not live with losing the ability to turn on automatic renewals at will.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:17PM baby sea tuna said

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@eat it

From their help page:

Important You can’t remove a credit card that is associated with an active Xbox LIVE membership. If you try to remove the credit card associated with an active Xbox LIVE membership, you will be prompted to add a new payment option for your membership.

If you don’t want to add another payment method, call Xbox Support for help removing your payment method. When you call, please have your gamertag and payment information available.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billing-and-subscriptions/manage-payment-options/remove-xbox-live-payment-option
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:06PM refinedsugar said

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@eat it

Now you're singing my song! I got the same error message as you. Couldn't be bothered to call support. Buying XBL cards cheaper at retail became much better than subbing automatically.

My story goes like this ... I knew my credit card on file with them expired in 2009 so I'd just continue to use retail XBL cards. I used a card in 2009, again in 2010 and still couldn't remove the expired info or even turn off automatic renewal! 2011 comes along and even though I've been using retail cards for the past few years, my info is still locked to the first days of XBL with the original xbox and how you had to use a credit card to use Live and prove you were an adult.

A few days from my gold expiring, I get an email from MS asking me to update my cc info as my XBL is about to run out. No worries, I figure. I'll let this run it's course. I'll get bumped down to Silver for a day or two and then I'll be able to delete this expired info and use a card I have waiting to go.

Nope. I get an email from MS telling me my XBL Gold has been renewed. Turns out even with my expired info they somehow got payment from my bank issued credit card and I'm paying full price for another year of XBL. Only now am I able to turn off auto renewal (which of course, I do). I can only hope when my Gold expires this summer, I'll be able to finally delete this not-so-expired info once and for all.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:18PM killer rin said

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If you can't remove the last card from Xbox.com, go to billing.microsoft.com and remove it there. Can't say I have ever had the problem with removing all the payment options from other accounts without having to call xbox support
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 6:27PM Kyle4 said

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@baby sea tuna Now it makes sense as to why I could remove my card and others couldn't. I'm a silver member. That's really unfair to those who want to just use points cards. That and being forced to call to take off auto renewal for things like "A $1 for a month of Gold" are really shady.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 7:29PM SisypheanLife said

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@Kyle4

The easy solution is to simply use a pre-paid Visa. Buy one, spend the money on groceries, and then link the empty pre-paid Visa to as many accounts as you wish. Make it the primary card and then you can delete your real one. I have it setup that way for my brothers and I.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 11:14PM This Little Man Says His Name Is said

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@Kyle4

You can turn off auto renewal on xbox.com.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2012 6:29PM Ignatius said

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@baby sea tuna

Just want to thank you for this, I'm on the phone with them now to remove it. Can't believe a PREPAID CARD is considered a service on my credit card.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:18PM RevolutionJ12 said

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This happened to me on the 20th of December as well. Locked out for 30 days. They purchased 2 1600 point packs and drained the 1500 points I had in there.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:20PM BlazeKing said

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I seriously think some of the people affected are victims of forum or website database hacking or something else. People who don't even give out their p/w or anything associated with their account got hacked. One of my PS3 accounts was jacked & the game my friend said was being played a lot: Fifa. It's happening on both systems.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:27PM Faenix said

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@BlazeKing

Dont think anyone assumes its just on Live. Though, to someone like me who logs into Xbox live for MSN at times, its a more serious issue if my account gets hacked.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:27PM Softserve said

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@BlazeKing You never know. I use different passwords for literally everything and I especially go out of my way when there's money involved.

Even so, I've had issues over the years with my Xbox, iTunes and a few others. For me, personally, the only commonality I could find was Paypal... but I'm not savvy enough to make any real claims there. Luckily I was refunded with no real argument each time.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:31PM Faenix said

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@Faenix
And I dont mean cause I am linked by email, cause of some of my emails - and what the email is also linked too.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:21PM TylerDurden1027 said

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It happened to my friend, he lost $50 worth of Microsoft Points....
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:23PM Scuffles said

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So the moral of the story is

1) Change your password frequently
2) Never leave any accumulated points unspent
3) NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON USE YOUR CREDITCARD/PAYPAL to buy points.
a) always use store bought points cards and just to be extra safe pay for them in cash just in case.

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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:26PM LordPoncho said

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@Scuffles

Except, if you read into the story a bit more, these hackers have been able to change passwords. Microsoft is hiding something. It happened to me, and I'm an extremely tech savvy person, I change my password frequently (almost once a month).

After my account was locked by Microsoft, they asked me to change my password. I did. To something nowhere close to any other passwords I use. It was hacked and changed the next day.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2012 4:15PM TubaDude49 said

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@Scuffles
What do I do? I'm an XNA developer! If I take away my payment information I don't get paid.
This complicates things...
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:26PM psyXcho said

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This happened to me as well, they cleared out the 12000 pts I had on my account and earned a few achievements on FIFA. I was not phished and am very careful about things like this. My wife was watching Netflix when it happened, she failed to tell me the message that I was logged on to another console so I thought live dropped on us. Later I found out I couldn't get into my Hotmail. Luckily I have another account tied to my Hotmail account so I was able to fight back control of the Hotmail account and quickly change all my passwords. My account has been down a week so far and I've received a 30 day code for Live. This definitely makes me rethink having my info on Live as I did nothing to provoke this.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:15PM copa said

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@psyXcho

Whoa, back up a minute. These guys earned achievement for you, and you're complaining?

Come at me, bros!

XBox Live ID: copa@gmail.com
Password: ch33vos!
Point Balance: 1080 MSP (Leave some for the next guy!)
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:21PM Dr Stabbingworth said

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@psyXcho

I was Fifa'd as well. "Social engineering" is code language for 1 of 3 things:

1. We don't understand what's causing the issue
2. We don't want to get blamed like Sony
3. Both

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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:32PM misterAKA said

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I was hacked.... Fifa did It only about 1600msp I didn't have my account locked and never got my points back... it was a shame too cause those points would of been spent on the 1st few days of 12 days promo..... Anyway I hope some how I can get these things back.... BTW I only use prepaid cards so they can't steal money off a credit card to charge anything with....
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:44PM misterAKA said

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@misterAKA ....yeah and I forgot, they did get some achievements on my account too BTW I never played Fifa besides the demo.... thats how I figured out my account was hacked
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:34PM Pyrii said

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I had this happen to me on the 30th December, played FIFA 2012, and spent all my points on Gold Packs ( http://twitpic.com/80qkho ) MS have been very helpful, while contacting EA about it has been like slamming my head into a brick wall. EA just don't give a hoot.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 2:26PM Pyrii said

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Additionally I was told by MS that this is a very common thing occurring and due to it happening so much, is the reason for it taking so long to deal with cases as they're essentially being flooded with them. They also described this problem happening with FIFA 2011 last year. Seems to be a problem endemic with the FIFA series and EA, how they're getting their hands on XBL accounts though is interesting.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:34PM dyeknom said

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My account was also stolen the day after Christmas... except the person who stole my account managed to change my password to my Live ID as well.

i logged into my Xbox to find it was logged into another system, points stolen.

The real gem of a story comes from my interaction with Windows Live ID support. My recovery email and information has been changed, so I have to submit some stupid form that pretty much does not apply to a primarily XBL account... yet they continually note that they cannot verify information and to "try harder" to remember the pertinent information... despite answering all of the fields that apply. Essentially telling me that they cannot help me, XBL support tells me that i may have to set up a new Live Id at the end of the 24 day investigation period.

Windows Live ID has to be the most ignorant, ass-backward support I've ever seen. "Hello, my account has been stolen. On the 26th the password, recovery email and presumably name/security questions were all changed. All XBL points stolen from the gamertag and used on a different console" ... Does it take a friggin rocket scientist to notice something shady? No... but they sure as hell can give me the run-around.

Microsoft is definitely losing a customer over this situation. The pathetic part is that email is rarely used for anything and there have been no phishing emails clicked and NONE of my other emails from gmail, yahoo, etc. had been compromised. Big shock there.

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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 1:32PM Dr Stabbingworth said

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@dyeknom

I've tried to get my accounts and payment information set right several times on the Windows Live ID website. It's impossible. Pages link to irrelevant pages, the email system is all messed up, when I try to edit payment details on xbox.com, I get error messages, etc. It's a complete failure. I have also given up on MS. I sold all my xbox games. As soon as my account hacking issue is resolved, I'm shutting it all down.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:41PM Bryan T said

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I was hacked about two years ago. My gamertag used to be Final Fantasy 7, but then it got changed to some bs tag, the same people who got Major Nelson.

It sucks for multiple reasons, especially if you have a credit card on file (thankfully I changed the info beforehand as a preventative measure). What really sucks is it turns you into a paranoid security freak and makes you start second guessing everything.

That, and as a less but still kinda big thing, a lot of saves are tied to Gamertags (take my UEFA 06 game as an example), and by changing tags your save data becomes corrupt.

But take this as another shout out to everyone, you can never be too safe. Don't use common passwords and don't use the same accounts for multiple internet services.
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Posted: Jan 4th 2012 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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Happened to me today as well, 2 x 5000 point packs (paypal linked to my account, never again!). They're currently playing FIFA12 on MY gamertag, and hav got achievements, how the hell will I get rid of those?
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